"Everyone's so open and friendly" is a lie

[AiUsagi]

It should be left to the discretion of the player if they want to have contact with someone anymore & those wishes should be respected.

[Caurcas]

I mean I can argue with that list because Dark Souls is listed as 'ultimate game of ALL time.'

That is clearly Xenogears. Best story, forever.

Xenogears is overrated and the whole second disc is cutscenes.

[Shuuli]

I am absolutely disgusted, and I hate this concept of people wanting to talk, be social and make friends one minute but without warning having done nothing people suddenly refuse to speak. It's flat out hypocritical and disingenuous.

You can and in my opinion, you should refuse to speak and walk away if you realize that a starting friendship is not working out... Just like in real life. If you get to know people, they are friendly to you at the initial meeting, then you get to know each other and you might not be friends at the end. There are discussions that will make your realize: "oh well, maybe we are just not very compatible as people". ATM There are many players in the game, if someone is not going to be your friend, then I would just move on and find another group. It happens unfortunately.

Being open and friendly does not mean that people are obliged to instantly become your BFFs...

Also, I think many creators have already shined the reality of the fact that THERE ARE bad apples. (Even Zepla made a vid where she read comments of people stalking each other and being disgusting and so on). I think most FF players don't think that FFXIV community is perfect, but the vast majority is pretty chill and friendly. Also this in comparison to other online games...


I understand what you mean. That some people use the new rules as a weapon for being snowflakes. But I have not met many people like that, thank god. And the ones I met I just blacklisted. I really don't want to spend 30 minutes explaining to someone that saying for a typed msg "sounded mean the way you typed it" when it literally cannot "sound" in any way as it is a written text... Some people just misunderstand things by the text chat and get upset cause they think a msg had a tone, that in reality was not the intention of the original player. I have seen this even at work, when people misunderstand "tone of the msg". It's pretty normal.

Also, considering how many people play this game, it is inevitable to have goods but bads too. It's like saying US has only FAT people just because the avg weight is above world normals... not everyone is fat. Or just because some people say US people are stupid, of course no one thinks everyone is stupid. I said two US example and sorry for that... but that was the easiest for me to bring up.

[PaluMatzu]

If you seriously think there is an MMO with NO toxicity in it, you're delusional. You need to learn to recognize the toxin, then avoid. If you meet friends, and can talk with them with no toxicity to be seen, good for you. I experience this in Jenova's Bento FC, and it is the best FC I've ever been in, but its not like I don't see toxin. I see it, and I make a point to not speak up, or to avoid altogether. If it doesn't obstruct gameplay, then there is no reason for me to care.

[Lunalepsy]

Don't increase your post count!

[linayar]

i’m not so blind by 14’s success as to think it’s purely because it has no faults.

It's not about having no fault. It's about people wanting different things, and some people seem to want to ignore that. What some may consider a fault may not be universally thought of as such even if there may be "plenty" of voice speaking out against it.

[Kozh]

Pretty ironic for a game that tell story about how being tempered is a bad thing, yet the community act like they're tempered by ffxiv and yoshi-p XD

From the (very overused, unfunny, and annoying) "have you tried..." jokes, to white knighting. It's tiring. Unless your complain is the big one like glamour plates and housing etc., more often than not people will tell you to just suck it up.

Well tbh I actually have no problem with people being toxic, since as many others has pointed out, no community is completely toxic-free, but the way this community pretend to be the best community is very eye-rolling. There's a reason GCBTW meme exist.

[linayar]

Pretty ironic for a game that tell story about how being tempered is a bad thing, yet the community act like they're tempered by ffxiv and yoshi-p XD

From the (very overused, unfunny, and annoying) "have you tried..." jokes, to white knighting. It's tiring. Unless your complain is the big one like glamour plates and housing etc., more often than not people will tell you to just suck it up.

So, your complaint is basically that there are people who actually enjoy the game and are vocal about it.

Well tbh I actually have no problem with people being toxic, since as many others has pointed out, no community is completely toxic-free, but the way this community pretend to be the best community is very eye-rolling. There's a reason GCBTW meme exist.

For me, it's so tiring when people are too cynical about other people's enjoyment of something, be it a game or a community.

You don't have to have a perfect community/game to think it's the best. And what's best would differ from person to person anyway, based on their experience and values.

But it shouldn't be strange to go to places where supposed fans of a game would gather (thus, its community) and find people who think it's the best.

What's strange is finding people who are trying to stifle other's "enthusiasm" for whatever reason. Of course, some people might just be trying to set a good/realistic expectation, but I'd rather people err on the side of being positive than negative.

So, yeah, there's a reason that meme exist, just not a good one.

[LittleImp]

What's strange is finding people who are trying to stifle other's "enthusiasm" for whatever reason. Of course, some people might just be trying to set a good/realistic expectation, but I'd rather people err on the side of being positive than negative.

So, yeah, there's a reason that meme exist, just not a good one.

There's a point where the "enthusiasm" spills over into nastiness. Some FFXIV players are downright militant about their devotion to the game; They turn up in the comment sections of media about other games and crap all over games they haven't even played, while promoting FFXIV like we're back in the days of the console wars. This isn't just restricted to WoW either; I've seen it happening in the comments with many other games, including some of the games 14 was 'competing' with for that golden joystick award.

Another example, my social circle on FFXIV includes a few small to medium streamers, and pretty much all of them have a few creepy regulars (often top donators) who will guilt them and get weirdly emotional any time they try to stream another game. One of them ended up totally burning out on the game because of it and basically went on hiatus.

Cult-like behavior does effect people negatively, so it's worth some level of criticism.

[linayar]

Cult-like behavior does effect people negatively, so it's worth some level of criticism.

Sure, but are you ascribing that behavior to (and therefore criticizes) to those individuals or the community as a whole? Because it seems, there are people who would do the latter.

When people say this game has a great community, do you think those behaviors are what they're applauding? If not, then any exception you may point about the community is just that, exceptions.

So, yes, we can agree that people can take anything (like or dislike toward something) too far, and people can still say this game's community is great or nice or the best, and they wouldn't be contradictory statements.