"Everyone's so open and friendly" is a lie

[Izscha]

You absolutely misses what I said about talking to Timmy calmly and you are assuming Timmy is doing it on purpose. Please read everything because you are missing the point.

If you're constantly a burden to everyone else doing it on purpose or not do not matter, if you got any sense of decency you would realise that yourself and remove yourself from it and come back when you can bring more to the table than ruining the thing alone.
But since ppl do not care about being burden or dead weights and will stay even if they're the only problem here it's not surprising that at one point timmy becomes the punching bag and i can't say he did not deserve it at some point.
And you can be the kindest person on this planet, timmy wont miraculously learn this by your words alone. I guess it do happens, but it's way too rare in this game to even waste time doing it for every timmy each single time.
But i like the jp way tho and how they deal with it, just disband blacklist the guy and creat another one, at least timmy feelings are safe.

[Snorky]

If you're constantly a burden to everyone else doing it on purpose or not do not matter, if you got any sense of decency you would realise that yourself and remove yourself from it and come back when you can bring more to the table than ruining the thing alone.
But since ppl do not care about being burden or dead weights and will stay even if they're the only problem here it's not surprising that at one point timmy becomes the punching bag and i can't say he did not deserve it at some point.
And you can be the kindest person on this planet, timmy wont miraculously learn this by your words alone. I guess it do happens, but it's way too rare in this game to even waste time doing it for every timmy each single time.
But i like the jp way tho and how they deal with it, just disband blacklist the guy and creat another one, at least timmy feelings are safe.

I am not going to convince you of anything. I am not here to do that. I am telling you the rules are clear, just act maturely and you won't have a problem. It is absolutely not anyone's right to verbally assault anyone, sure you can be mad or frustrated and swear a blue streak but the minute you direct it at someone you are subject to the rules in place. There is a difference and that is what I am pointing out.

[linayar]

others are more impulsive than you (or I for that matter, unless you count 'damns' as a swear word :P), and considering that a simple 'frick' or two can apparently net you visit by a gm, I do think that posts like yours and others about how "easy" it is to not swear aren't helping and feel more like you're poking fun at people who lose their temper in some way or form, sometimes not even aimed at anyone in particular or even themselves

Being impulsive might make you swear in real life, but if it's to the point that you can't help but type it out in in-game chat, then that goes beyond being mere impulsive.

Cause TOS indirectly censor you from being to hostile. Wherever that's a good or bad thing is a different discussion for a different day.

That's always a good thing. In fact, deterrence of unwanted behaviors is one of the main purpose of any laws/rules/regulations/ToS.

I will say one of the things i find kind of weird is the fact that a game that has a built in censor has a really weird stance when it comes to “profanity.” Like….you literally have a built in censor filter that people have to actively turn off. If they turn it off is it not their fault at that point? If there’s a censor filter with a toggled feature then i think at that point some profanity should be allowed lol.

The censor does not invalidate the rule. The censor is there as extra protection for those who do not want to be exposed to certain words, but the offense can still be made even while censored.

they explicitly asked for the ability to directly disagree or even challenge someone else's viewpoint like an adult in order to settle their differences.

If that's what they're asking, then they can already do that right now, so this thread is pointless unless they're not asking for simply that.

[Oscura]

If that's what they're asking, then they can already do that right now, so this thread is pointless unless they're not asking for simply that.

Their join date is Nov. 2021 and their viewpoint or opinion could be influenced by an outside party. We already had a thread where people assumed that the change in ToS simply means you could not disagree with anyone ever, not unless you want an infraction or a suspension.
Not everyone who has an opposing or differing viewpoint on how the game or its community works is a bad actor or someone trying to incite controversy. Instead of immediately assuming the negative in someone you literally do not know maybe try hearing them out properly first. People in this thread were so focused on telling OP they were wrong they didn't even bother to show it.

[linayar]

Their join date is Nov. 2021 and their viewpoint or opinion could be influenced by an outside party. We already had a thread where people assumed that the change in ToS simply means you could not disagree with anyone ever, not unless you want an infraction or a suspension.
Not everyone who has an opposing or differing viewpoint on how the game or its community works is a bad actor or someone trying to incite controversy. Instead of immediately assuming the negative in someone you literally do not know maybe try hearing them out properly first. People in this thread were so focused on telling OP they were wrong they didn't even bother to show it.

I think you're giving the OP too much credit. They only have two posts and never bothered to clarify if people were wrong about them.

In fact, they argue against passive aggressiveness, but is entirely silent in this thread other than those two posts (unless their additional posts got deleted in a supposed purge I wasn't aware of).

[Snorky]

I think you're giving the OP too much credit. They only have two posts and never bothered to clarify if people were wrong about them.

In fact, they argue against passive aggressiveness, but is entirely silent in this thread other than those two posts (unless their additional posts got deleted in a supposed purge I wasn't aware of).

The original post got edited in the OP they wanted to have license to verbally abuse other people and claimed it was the rules that caused the problem. The whole OP has been edited so we are now left with where the conversation has gone. It's now a rambling mess.

[Oscura]

I think you're giving the OP too much credit. They only have two posts and never bothered to clarify if people were wrong about them.

In fact, they argue against passive aggressiveness, but is entirely silent in this thread other than those two posts (unless their post got deleted in a supposed purge I wasn't aware of).

I think you're giving them too little credit? Why would you want to return to a thread that in less than 24 hours had almost 11 pages, a lot of which were spent ridiculing the OP for having a different experience or viewpoint? Why would anyone want to return to a thread after being dogpiled on by sarcastic and passive aggressive remarks?
You're implying I shouldn't give OP the benefit of the doubt because they're new to the forums or never came back? Someone always has to be new and I wouldn't blame someone for not coming back.
It could've simply been that they had gotten their issue off their chest because a specific incident or person triggered this feeling, as well.

Again, people were too busy trying to shut OP down or simply tell them they're wrong entirely before even asking them why they even felt that way to begin with.

The original post got edited in the OP they wanted to have license to verbally abuse other people and claimed it was the rules that caused the problem. The whole OP has been edited so we are now left with where the conversation has gone. It's now a rambling mess.

One of the first replies made nearly 35 minutes after the OP's post has a quote of the OP and is unedited(the reply, not the OP). Quotes do not update with the original post being quoted so I sincerely doubt this is the case.

Edit: In fact, it says the OP's last edit was at the exact same time as the first reply in the thread.

[Rinhi]

One of the first replies made nearly 35 minutes after the OP's post has a quote of the OP and is unedited(the reply, not the OP). Quotes do not update with the original post being quoted so I sincerely doubt this is the case.

Edit: In fact, it says the OP's last edit was at the exact same time as the first reply in the thread.

I love how you proved the poster post wrong and they didn't even apologize for the straight up lie to make the OP look like a bad person, instead saying stuff like;
"just act maturely and you won't have a problem" or earlier, "It's okay to be frustrated it's not okay to turn Timmy OP into a punching bag. The rules are fine, just don't turn your fellow players into punching bags." "Controling one's self is a learned behavior otherwise emotionally people would all act like two year olds having tantrums. You are being asked by the rules to act maturely."
y'know, not following the same thing they preach like so quite a few posters in this thread before

I think my very original esoteric point was that: yeah, I believe the ff14 community is reasonably friendly for online game community, claim of friendliness and openness is nor lie but not 100% truth in every situation always, either. As should be expected. We are just people after all.

that's what the gist of the discussion was, too, and yet it was removed completely, no one got insulted or anything, which is why it's so odd that it got deleted in the first place

[linayar]

I think you're giving them too little credit? Why would you want to return to a thread that in less than 24 hours had almost 11 pages, a lot of which were spent ridiculing the OP for having a different experience or viewpoint? Why would anyone want to return to a thread after being dogpiled on by sarcastic and passive aggressive remarks?
You're implying I shouldn't give OP the benefit of the doubt because they're new to the forums or never came back? Someone always has to be new and I wouldn't blame someone for not coming back.
It could've simply been that they had gotten their issue off their chest because a specific incident or person triggered this feeling, as well.

Again, people were too busy trying to shut OP down or simply tell them they're wrong entirely before even asking them why they even felt that way to begin with.

What are you even talking about? The replies are exactly what the OP is asking for and now you think they'd be afraid or don't want to engage?

Again, the accusation of passive aggressiveness. Maybe I've missed them, but the responses that I've seen are ordinary responses that the OP can engage with. In fact, others are doing it for the OP.

If the OP is asking to be allowed to have "fights and arguments," then they've got them, at least the latter anyway. If they are "absolutely disgusted" when people suddenly refuse to speak, then they shouldn't be silent in their own thread. No one can shut the OP down, only the OP and the GMs.

[Oscura]

What are you even talking about? The replies are exactly what the OP is asking for and now you think they'd be afraid or don't want to engage?

OP wants the ability to openly disagree with someone without feeling like they'll be ostracized or punished for it. The fact that there are replies either saying they're in the wrong element or accusing them of wanting something worse is hardly what I'd call "What they asked for." There's a difference between saying "Actually, my experience hasn't been the same and I've mostly had a good time." Vs "OP, maybe be more mature and not resort to arguments etc," or "Sorry you can't be a jerk in this game OP."

Again, the accusation of passive aggressiveness. Maybe I've missed them, but the responses that I've seen are ordinary responses that the OP can engage with. In fact, others are doing it for the OP.

There are people implying the OP is either childish or immature in multiple posts by insinuating that they cannot solve situations like, "an adult." How is that not passive aggressive? Passive aggressive does not imply nor does it mean that you cannot engage with it. Passive aggression is the act of making a backhanded comment, or talking behind someone's back, or sarcasm in general. You can "engage" with all of that.

If the OP is asking to be allowed to have "fights and arguments," then they've got them, at least the latter anyway. If they are "absolutely disgusted" when people suddenly refuse to speak, then they shouldn't be silent in their own thread. No one can shut the OP down, only the OP and the GMs.

I think people are focusing far too hard on "fights and arguments," and immediately drawing their own conclusions. People in the first few posts even told OP they should try to debate instead. When you debate...you present arguments. Which is why I said I think OP poorly presented their opinion, because they most likely meant, in general, disagree with people, not the act of directly attacking or inciting a verbal beatdown. A lot of people associate "debating," with fighting an arguing with just an extra coat of paint. I think we should focus less on the semantics.

Also, OP said they were disgusted when people would act like they enjoyed one's company or engage with them, only to totally ghost them the next. It's not the same as them ghosting a forum post where they expressed their own concerns.