"Everyone's so open and friendly" is a lie

[Theodric]

Thank you for your feedback, but I refuse to converse with you any further of fear of loosing my account for disagreeing with you. Thank you and have a nice day.

For what it's worth, some of the kindest people I have ever met happened to swear like sailors. I don't know why so many people in the present day act like the simple act of swearing is some horrid, unforgivable sin. Yet it is what it is with the rules as they are, I suppose.

On the other hand, I have consistently found people overly concerned with the use of tone and language to be some of the nastiest, spiteful and manipulative individuals that I have ever encountered. I've also found them to be pretty flaky and unreliable.

I think most reasonable people take a 'live and let live' approach in-game and in the real world. If they have a negative interaction with someone, they're generally not going to go out of their way to pretend like it's the worst thing ever unless it's a major overstep and persistent thing. In other words, most people aren't going to reach for the report button because they had a bad run in a dungeon.

On the other hand, there is a certain type of individual who will act on any slight - real or perceived - and rush to gleefully report someone for the slightest reason, be it differences in opinion, a single swear word, a dash of sarcasm. These people genuinely believe that anyone who doesn't think, act or talk like they do should be banned and excluded altogether.

That isn't me saying that everybody should be able to say whatever they want. Some things are certainly worthy of a ban. However, I've yet to see many businesses in the present day acknowledge that there is a sizable movement of individuals who seek to weaponise terms of service in their favour over the most pettiest of slights.

From what I've seen, the FFXIV community has a staggeringly high proportion of such individuals. Weirdly, for all the concern they express over tone and words they tend to be exceptionally vile outside of the game. Far beyond anything they criticise. Such as the numerous individuals who I have seen hunt people down outside of FFXIV in order to send them death threats and insult them over liking and disliking certain characters.

I envy those within the FFXIV community who haven't been exposed to such things. I really do.

[FusiaRain]

I'm actually surprised at the amount of people who think it's justified to start cussing at strangers because they're frustrated. No one made you say anything except yourself.

It's not something that needs to be justified it's a natural reaction when things happen.
Step on a lego, hit your toe, accidentally burn yourself cooking the first thing you will say is either fuck or god damn it. This is true for everyone I been around.

People are forgetting humans have a natural instinct to get out the things boiling within them be it cursing or other. I would much rather everyone get out their emotions, issues virtually than going into real life and doing it in worse ways than just words.

Honestly most likely the reason things so horrible in real life this days is because streamers made gaming for everyone so now there is no escape, no way to let out negative emotions scream shout curse etc.

Honestly virtual sights,games need to return to 2010 ways and stop beimg on their high horse acting like they wouldn't react when stressed, frustrated. When many players play games to relax from having to remain silent and holding in negative pressure.

Not everything needs to be justified or "normal" things could just be a way to get out thoughts, and frustration.

Heat of the moment exist and things can happen that prevent the ability to think. People ignore this by saying "reasonable" but noone knows how they will react to it until they are put in the exact same situation. That is impossible due to every situation being different.

[Exosapien]

Honestly most likely the reason things so horrible in real life this days is because streamers made gaming for everyone so now there is no escape, no way to let out negative emotions scream shout curse etc.

Honestly virtual sights,games need to return to 2010 ways and stop beimg on their high horse acting like they wouldn't react when stressed, frustrated. When many players play games to relax from having to remain silent and holding in negative pressure.

Not everything needs to be justified or "normal" things could just be a way to get out thoughts, and frustration.

I really do not understand your point about streamers, however I'll never consider it normal get so upset that it would be even an impulse to start cussing at people over video games. That honestly just feels very unstable.

[FusiaRain]

I really do not understand your point about streamers, however I'll never consider it normal get so upset that it would be even an impulse to start cussing at people over video games. That honestly just feels very unstable.

My point is they bring in this "normal" types into gaming that Honestly dont belong in the gaming world. Also many people game as its a safe place were they don't have to worry about being "unstable" which is why they arent social in real life.

[Artemiz]

Honestly most likely the reason things so horrible in real life this days is because streamers made gaming for everyone so now there is no escape, no way to let out negative emotions scream shout curse etc.

Honestly virtual sights,games need to return to 2010 ways and stop beimg on their high horse acting like they wouldn't react when stressed, frustrated. When many players play games to relax from having to remain silent and holding in negative pressure.

Not everything needs to be justified or "normal" things could just be a way to get out thoughts, and frustration.

Heat of the moment exist and things can happen that prevent the ability to think. People ignore this by saying "reasonable" but noone knows how they will react to it until they are put in the exact same situation. That is impossible due to every situation being different.

Streamers did what now? You are giving them far too much credit. They are good marketing for sure but they are little fish in the giant lake of the gaming market.

As for going back to 2010, no thanks. I dont want to have to sit and listen to kids and manbabies hurling abuse around 247 like they used to back on MW2 xbox live. It was funny at first but got very boring very quickly.

As for your overall point about letting out emotions, there is no walk of life where flipping your lid everytime you don't get your own way is acceptable. Sure sometimes it happens but its pure heat of the moment stuff. It should be the exception, not the rule.

[linayar]

A just throw something in, I just got a "Official Warning due to Violation" for Point 3.3 Profanity and Offensive Language. It states today was the day of the offence, but I played a bit in the morning where I did run 2 or 3 Dungeons NOT saying anything all 3 runs. Now I log in and i'm being told I broke some rules. The last time I used profanity was about 3 or 4 weeks ago in PVP where I used foul language because people were literally throwing an win and it was extremely frustrating to watch.

Not toxic ? Bull...This games is full of "snowflakes" and OH GOD IF YOU DARE SAY SOMETHING MEAN!
I'm literally stopping talking to ALL players in the game. Not gonna risk my account because I might hurt some ones feeling. But hey, knowing SE I will be reported for being too silent too and they ban me anyway.

Why would not talking help when you just said you didn't talk this morning, but still somehow committed a violation?

Did you lie about not talking? And if you did, what else are you not saying regarding your violation? Maybe it's not the "snowflakes," but it's you who are being toxic with respect to your choice of word/phrase.

[Escalon]

Why would not talking help when you just said you didn't talk this morning, but still somehow committed a violation?

Did you lie about not talking? And if you did, what else are you not saying regarding your violation? Maybe it's not the "snowflakes," but it's you who are being toxic with respect to your choice of word/phrase.

No, I literally did not talk to anyone in game that morning, I rarely talk in dungeons. Im not in a FC either.
I meant the stopping talking to all players even outside of dungeons, its not worth the risk of loosing my account by accidentally hurting someone's ego. (what a shocker, I sometimes enjoy talking with random people)

And Yes, I'm honestly absolutely confused why I got that warning. Thats why I said the last time I legit was using foul language was in frustration 3 or 4 weeks before in a Frontline match.
I should add, before you say I was hurling abusive words left and right. I said exactly 2 sentences with 1 swear word each.
If I would get a warning for that, I would not say a thing since it would be warranted.

[Krotoan]

I should add, before you say I was hurling abusive words left and right. I said exactly 2 sentences with 1 swear word each.
If I would get a warning for that, I would not say a thing since it would be warranted.

... maybe stop swearing? Considering this isn't voicechat and you have to type out everything, I'd say there is ample time for proofreading what you're saying before it hits other peoples screens.


Maybe I'm a slow typer. Maybe I just don't have the same vocab. But I've never found it hard to not swear.

[Lunalepsy]

After having been here since June or July I can say this is the biggest lie that this game's player base tells and I am sick of it. This entire problem is promoted by the heavy handedness of this games harassment policies, making it impossible to have fights and arguments in a attempt to resolve problems that instead encourages passive aggressive behavior that is just as detrimental if not worse. At least when there is fights and arguments people know where another stands, what the problem is instead of attempting to ghost and being child like. If someone has done something wrong, no matter how petty one may perceive it no one is allowed to be critical.

I am absolutely disgusted, and I hate this concept of people wanting to talk, be social and make friends one minute but without warning having done nothing people suddenly refuse to speak. It's flat out hypocritical and disingenuous.

It's just a marketing gimmick. This game has a dark, ominous side.