Small rant about certain toxic WoW refugee behaviour

[Reap00]

In my experience I've found that there's elements of FFXIV's community that are far more 'toxic' than anything I encountered back when I played WoW. It's a special breed of toxicity, often rooted in perceived moral superiority and immense passive aggression. An approach to avoid agreeing to disagree but to demand that absolutely everybody thinks and feels the same way as they do. Even in regards to liking or disliking some of the game's fictional characters. Such individuals are often prone to excessive narrative control, gaslighting and weaponising the terms of service against those they see as having slighted them somehow.

I don't think it's fair to tarnish any game's community as being utterly without redeeming qualities. There's good and bad elements in every game's community after all.

You are welcome to your opinion. It will not change my opinion though. I have never experienced straight up hate, disrespect and racism from the ffxiv community. I have experienced all of the above constantly interacting with the WoW "community". You want to defend that more power to you.

[LaylaTsarra]

You are welcome to your opinion. It will not change my opinion though. I have never experienced straight up hate, disrespect and racism from the ffxiv community.

I've been playing for a long long time with multiple characters and I agree with you. There is certainly an element that likes to promote this as common place but it isn't and that includes from WoW players.

[Theodric]

I've been playing for a long long time with multiple characters and I agree with you. There is certainly element that likes to promote this as common place but it isn't.

What 'certain element' would that be, out of curiosity?

Have you spoken with such 'certain elements' to learn what they themselves have experienced?

Furthermore, just because someone doesn't experience anything negative themselves it does not mean that other players have that same luxury.

[KizuyaKatogami]

You are welcome to your opinion. It will not change my opinion though. I have never experienced straight up hate, disrespect and racism from the ffxiv community. I have experienced all of the above constantly interacting with the WoW "community". You want to defend that more power to you.

If you want i can point you to the Scottzone situation where the man has his address doxxed and had death threats sent to him by people in our wonderful community.All because he said the raids are so good there should be more.

[Rinhi]

You are welcome to your opinion. It will not change my opinion though. I have never experienced straight up hate, disrespect and racism from the ffxiv community. I have experienced all of the above constantly interacting with the WoW "community". You want to defend that more power to you.

you're playing on crystal, the datacenter with the most drama due to the RP nature, drama that results in people making google docs about exposing offenders for various reasons ranging from gaslighting, genuine transphobia, racism, lying to make hundreds of people hate someone and even succeeding, organized bullying by FCs or groups of people against a single person by ways of making multiple alts, and say you've never ever seen any of that?
even I have seen some of those, years before I even thought about giving XIV a try

[lezard21]

you're playing on crystal

Wow bad ff good is practically a mandatory Crystal RP thing, so I wouldn't pay too much mind to it

[Rein_eon_Osborne]

Again? This kind of thread?

When do you think we'll get a megathread to compile all the "WoW this WoW that!!"? Lmao

[Zsolen]

It's best not to generalize people in such a manner.

[Izscha]

It's a meme at this point, and a good chunk of FF XIV players ARE wow players aswell, or were and now join the bandwagon and start to hate on it.
There is no FF XIV without WoW either.
Tribalism over MMOs is so old but still so funny to this day, and seeing how much ppl in this game love to start drama, makings gdocs to plunder one another etc, i do get why you must label others as the monsters, because it's easier to look away than to admit that every games got its lot of terrible individuals, FF is no exception and you're delusionnal if you do think that.

[Kaoru_Nagisa]

Man, it lives rent free in y'alls heads, don't it?

Game tribalism is stupid, XIV community is just as much of a toxic cesspool - we're just a passive aggressive lot compared to blatantly aggressive. Which frankly, I consider a lot more insidious and disturbing.

A player from WoW acting like an idiot isn't any worse than a player from XIV acting like an idiot. An idiot's an idiot, no matter what game they came from or started with. Trying to paint it as WoW bad XIV good just makes you come off like a child.