Coffee Buscuits on steroids; a gil making method causing housing problems

[Sotaris]

I dunno if Coffee Biscuit, a leve item is causing any housing problem. It just an item in high demand for said leve.
I probably made 100M or more on them over few couple months and I urge people to get into the market as well.

Was not aware I was part of a fight club, oh well.

1) Gil making methods isn't the reason for people hoarding houses.

2) Gil is essentially worthless for people who don't do housing. It is one of the very few gil sinks we have that actually works.

I own 2 houses (FC + personal) and my goal is hitting gil cap in Endwalker. I have no desire to hoard houses. I just like having goals.

[Aelin_Ashryver]

I am on one of the sub discords and some of these people are hoarding dozens of houses not only for fc subs but to flip them as well, pretty disgusting. One person even said they had SO many and didn't have space that they "gave away" an M house to a friend. The selfishness is next level with these people. Some people in this thread don't get just how much passive gil having a dozen fc houses nets you. Not to mention the people who admit on that discord to hoarding houses to sell, one even laments its not as good money as it used to be!

[Sotaris]

I am on one of the sub discords and some of these people are hoarding dozens of houses not only for fc subs but to flip them as well, pretty disgusting. One person even said they had SO many and didn't have space that they "gave away" an M house to a friend. The selfishness is next level with these people. Some people in this thread don't get just how much passive gil having a dozen fc houses nets you. Not to mention the people who admit on that discord to hoarding houses to sell, one even laments its not as good money as it used to be!

Better remove all gil making in the game then /s
I mean you can always report them SE now going to use outside of the game evidence.

Gotta respect the hussle though lol
People paying multiple subs just to maintain all of that, reminds of that Mew guy on the forum there everyone had such a hateboner for.

They not going to be able to flip after 6.0 anyway with relocation updates (or was it 6.1?) so they will either have to keep their stock or dump them on the market.

[Aelin_Ashryver]

Better remove all gil making in the game then /s
I mean you can always report them SE now going to use outside of the game evidence.

Gotta respect the hussle though lol
People paying multiple subs just to maintain all of that, reminds of that Mew guy on the forum there everyone had such a hateboner for.

They not going to be able to flip after 6.0 anyway with relocation updates (or was it 6.1?) so they will either have to keep their stock or dump them on the market.

Nah just the one's that promote abuse of systems that negatively impact other players, i.e house hoarding. Big brain amiright? lol
They can't flip come 6.0 but the one's who hoard for multiple FC houses will still do so, they just wont let go of those houses and SE probably won't take them off them either if the past is any indication. You don't need multiple subs smh, one alt per fc house house is how it goes at the moment and has done for ages, if you wanted it all on the same server sure but these people do business across the whole data centre not just one server lol. No respect for the hussle, it's a scummy and so plainly obvious way to make money just most of us are not such selfish asshats to do it.

[PredatoryCatgirl]

If you honestly think this is a significant driver to inflation, you fail economics forever.

FC housing is roughly 30% of houses owned. That's 1728 houses per server. Lets say a tenth of them are doing fight club. You can talk about "ward full of shell FCs" all day, but in reality, that's one ward out of 96, and most servers don't even have this happen, period. So with a tenth of FCs doing fight club, all day every day, that's 173 gil printers going brrr.

A single sub will get you about 100K a day. That's about the same as coffee biscuits. Each FC has four subs. So this problem is roughly the same as 692 players doing coffee biscuits. There are over 10K-15K people logging in on most NA and EU servers every single day. If a tenth of them are doing biscuits, then biscuits are over twice the inflation driver that fight club is.

[Lesan]

It isn't even '100k a day with fight club from a single sub'. Sometimes, the 'Fight Club' sub only brings back gemstones or ingots, which, in the latter case, don't go for much, so you need tons of them to make due, if you still bother to sell on the MB.

[Illmaeran]

You could probably make more money with the daily six turn-ins of 9 HQ biscuits on 8 characters per account than other methods. Averaging 6K per turn-in = 108,000 Gil per day, per character, or 864,000 Gil per day for a full stable of Culinarian alts. If all you want to do is buy other peoples' NQ stacks, then you're down to an average of 432K per day minus biscuit cost (approx 60K per 99 stack on my server). That's ridiculous profit for no effort past leveling CUL on that many characters.

As much as I've appreciated being able to make a good chunk of change via this leve, I can understand and respect why they're going to be reducing raw Gil rewards for them. I'll definitely be taking as much advantage of it while I can.

[Yuumei]

If you are worried about solo FCs grinding mad gil with submarines...
Not counting the gil sunk in for the land plot + house + workshop:

1. It's a 4-5 months commitment to hit lvl 90 and you need to log in every time it returns to send it out again! (have you tried juggling 4 timers that resets at different times of the day?).
2. You need at least 3 sets of submarine parts (initial shark, CSUW lvlup set, final fight club parts all which require tons of mats to unlock the schematics and construct).
3. You need do stuff in game (craft, run dungeons, do supply missions etc) to generate fc credits to buy fuel for the submarines.
4. You need to sink money to maintain the submarines (repair kits).

Ashe10 did a test and was able to get approx 12 million+ gil in a month with 4 submarines per character.
Source:https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets...#gid=997810596

It's a nice way to keep some income flowing in while taking it easy but it pales vs what you could pull from the marketboard as i am sure my fellow gil-capped Eorzeans would know.

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Bonus: some napkin maths for Dwarven Mythril File leves vs submarine income assuming:
- 3x HQ turn-ins per leve
- 6x leves every day as per daily allowance.
- average 7500 gil per file (actual floats between 7400+ to 8600+)
- ignores crystal costs (leves gives more than you use in the long run)
- ignores the 2x ingot and 1x dwarven cotton cost (for simplicity)

(7500 x 3) x 6= 135,000 gil every day.

Fight club each trip takes 1d 20h 52m and the amount received is random.
For simplicity sake, we will take Ashe10's highest monthly record of 12,946,000 (for FOUR submarines total haul) and divide by 30 days and ignore repair costs.

(12,946,000 / 30 days) / 4 = 107,883 gil (per sub) daily, probably less due to RNG.

Considering the number of FCs with houses and fully levelled submarines x4 doing fight club 24/7 is likely limited (capped by land plot availability at the very least), players doing the leve turn-ins would contributes more heavily to inflation simply because of larger numbers of players able to engage in this activity.


TLDR: SE probably knows more about what is contributing to inflation than you think.
They do have access to the backend system / logs you know.

[MagiusNecros]

While timegated the triple turn in levequest gil method as is ensures that a player can make 1 million gil every week. Let's say gil reward is 4k. HQ turn in doubles for 8k. Triples make that 24k. 6 leves a day is 144k. 7 days is 1.008 million.

And if you have 4 weeks in a month that becomes 4.032 million.

And it's really easy to do with your geared 80 crafter of choice.

This method is especially easy on Cul/Alc given their leve craft gives you stacks of 3 per craft. And they are stackable and take up less inventory space.

[KageTokage]

TLDR: SE probably knows more about what is contributing to inflation than you think.
They do have access to the backend system / logs you know.

As much as I'd like to think that, it's a bit concerning that they've done basically nothing about those map-farming RMT bots when they number literally into the hundreds on some servers and should be raising red flags that some kind of exploitation is going on.