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    Deceptus's Avatar
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    Deceptus Keelon
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    Behemoth
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    Sage Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by DenL View Post
    List 5 activities taking hr+ combined
    "doing next to nothing"
    Next to nothing is hitting a crafting macro with a sound effect to let you know it finished 18 times for leves and not paying attention to it at all.

    Check retainers: 2m (next to nothing)
    Getting a map and selling: 5m (next to nothing)
    Daily Crafting Beast Tribe: 10m (mostly travel time)
    Expert: 15-20m
    6 crafting leves: 20m if I've prepped before, 40m if I have to gather everything myself.

    57 minutes minimum, 1 Hour 20m otherwise. Lets not pretend that any of that is super time consuming. None of that requires much thought at all. So yeah, it's next to no effort. No timed nodes, no expert crafting.

    You don't have to do all of that if you don't want to. Expert Roulette is only 15K of that for in demand.
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    Last edited by Deceptus; 11-12-2021 at 02:06 AM.
    Veteran healers don't care if we need to heal, but right now we don't. We want interesting things to do during the downtime other than a 30s dot and a single filler spell that hasn't changed from lvl 4 to lvl 90.
    Dead DPS do no DPS. Raised DPS do 25/50% lower DPS. Do the mechanics and don't stand in bad stuff.
    Other games expect basic competence, FFXIV is pleasantly surprised by it. Other games have toxic elitism. FFXIV has toxic casualism.[/LIST]

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    Vahlnir's Avatar
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    Elan Centauri
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    Diabolos
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    Gunbreaker Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by DenL View Post
    List 5 activities taking hr+ combined
    "doing next to nothing"
    I mean, I'd consider everything but maybe the crafting leves doing next to nothing. lol Retainers you literally just send them out and wait for them to come back. Snagging the daily map...maybe 5 minutes. Crafting beast tribe quests, roughly the same amount of time. Expert roulette, 10-15 minutes on average. You can probably get most everything else done save the retainer wait while you join the expert queue and then run it. None of them require much effort at all.
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    Last edited by Vahlnir; 11-11-2021 at 09:34 AM.
    Quote Originally Posted by Naoki_Yoshida View Post
    Personal Housing
    While I cannot give a specific date on when personal housing will be implemented, I can say that prices will be completely separate from free company housing, and, naturally, far more affordable.

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    hobostew's Avatar
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    Astrid Arkwright
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    Brynhildr
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    Monk Lv 90
    Only slightly related to this post but I kinda wish they would add the workshop access to apartments as an extra room you can buy and access through the apartment building entrance thingy. Right now only a very small subset of people even have access/interact with that system and it seems like such a waste.

    Thought about a greenhouse for gardening but the new island thing might provide that for everyone anyway.
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    Packetdancer's Avatar
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    Khit Amariyo
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    Leviathan
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    Sage Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by hobostew View Post
    Only slightly related to this post but I kinda wish they would add the workshop access to apartments as an extra room you can buy and access through the apartment building entrance thingy. Right now only a very small subset of people even have access/interact with that system and it seems like such a waste.

    Thought about a greenhouse for gardening but the new island thing might provide that for everyone anyway.
    I mean, I still think that what should be done is make instanced airship housing for FCs. You can 'pilot' the airship to different places (thus changing the view you see outside), you can have a workshop (for company crafting) and greenhouse (for FC gardening), and you can have individual personal rooms just like in an FC house currently. That way, the housing problem doesn't gate an entire FC from participating in the airship/submersible system or gardening.

    Moreover, once you have instanced FC airships, you can stop having FCs able to buy the normal houses. It wouldn't fix the entire housing problem, but it would sure as heck alleviate a chunk of the pressure, and you don't have to replace the current housing system itself.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Packetdancer
    The healer main's struggle for pants is both real, and unending. Be strong, sister. #GiveUsMorePants2k20 #HealersNotRevealers #RandomOtherSleepDeprivedHashtagsHere
    I aim to make my posts engaging and entertaining, even when you might not agree with me. And failing that, I'll just be very, VERY wordy.

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    Mystic Spirit
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    Phoenix
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    White Mage Lv 80
    Quote Originally Posted by kekebear View Post
    There is a gil generating methods named by those who know it - and I'm not even kidding here - Fight Club. Those who know of this method don't want it to become too widespread, and for good reason, because it might get nerfed.
    What is the first rule of fight club?
    What is the second rule of fight club?
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    Liam_Harper's Avatar
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    Liam Harper
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    Zodiark
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    White Mage Lv 90
    There was a time when 400k per day for a lot of set-up and a specific condition like owning a entire FC + house would have been peanuts. Crafting or even maps were better income and accessible.

    It's a symptom of rampant botting and everything being ridiculously easy to make and hardly worth selling that raw gil sources like this are even noticed, never mind being in danger of nerfs. The fact that the scrap gil from leves is actually being nerfed already just shows how bad it is. When you kill off the market board, people have no alternative but to dig into raw gil supplies, which isn't sustainable when everyone does it because gil generation creates inflation.
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    Ravor's Avatar
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    Ravor Elliard
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    Atomos
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    Black Mage Lv 100
    Or simply make 180 cofee biscuit and turn it to npc, that is 300k gil at least, well i enjoy doing crafting, if you have fun, it will felt like you are not wasting time at all, the only part i dont have fun is the turning in the biscuit to the npc...... my precious biscuit XD
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    Bigbap Ramirez
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    Gilgamesh
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    Paladin Lv 70
    Quote Originally Posted by kekebear View Post
    Those who know of this method don't want it to become too widespread, and for good reason, because it might get nerfed.
    The information has been made available publicly eons ago. Ever heard of memes? Comedy?


    Quote Originally Posted by kekebear View Post
    it might allevate the housing problem
    How badly do you wish to die on that hill?


    Quote Originally Posted by kekebear View Post
    fight inflation with one stroke.
    Delusional. You might want to read on the subject.


    Quote Originally Posted by kekebear View Post
    very minimal work aside from the setup.
    Let's not talk about the upfront cost and the time commitment right?
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    Jock Destroyer
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    Asura
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    Culinarian Lv 80
    Reported for blowing our cover
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    Catwho's Avatar
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    Katarh Mest
    World
    Lamia
    Main Class
    Warrior Lv 100
    "get subs to 90"

    Ahahah that alone takes about 4-5 months of effort.

    Trust me, I've been grinding them up and my subs are still hovering in the 70s.
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