MNK GC Weapons VS Ifrit's Claws

[Luwnax]

From what I understand...

dLVL and weapon damage are the most effective DPS modifiers. Next is STR and INT to their respective caps and finally ATK (ACC thrown in as needed).

My question:
Will the MNK GC weapons w/o the use of sanction be more beneficial than Ifrit’s Claws? I am from The Maelstrom so we can use the Storm Sergeant’s Hooks as the example.

Storm Sergeant’s Hooks:
DMG = 132
Delay = 3.3

Ifrit’s Claws:
DMG = 131
Delay = 3.3
ATK+30
Chance to inflict fire DMG.

Before I spend weeks attempting to determine which is better through parses…
Can anyone shed some light on this?

My initial thought is that it will likely be a wash trading +30ATK and Fire DMG for +1 Weapon DMG. Currently I use the Hooks with sanction and I ask the question for instances where I die during a run. Would it be better to switch back to Ifrit’s Claws?

Thanks

[Meleena]

Ifrit do more damage just by the fire effect anyway.

[Almalexia]

Without the +45ATK, +30ACC +40INT, depending on your GC, the Chief Sergeant weapons can't compete with Ifrit. Their value will be worth exploring once we have more ways to apply Sanction in the event of a KO. If you do not have Ifrit, these are the next best thing even without Sanction.

Ifrit do more damage just by the fire effect anyway.

Not necessarily. The added effect of Ifrit procs 9-10% of the time--if I remember right--and then only on normal attacks. On the other hand, you could have +1DMG on all attacks and WSs. A higher DMG rating also yields a higher WS stat cap. How much? We don't know yet, but it's something else to consider.

Although I can say right now with 99% confidence the hooks are better than Ifrit with Sanction active, since +40INT will rocket most MNKs to around 310INT and free up other slots for STR and ATK. Having so much INT in one slot is an extraordinary benefit. Maelstrom MNKs won big with 1.22. =(

[charlemagne]

If we could set a hp in our grand companies to easily reapply sanction or if there were an rechargeable item that allowed us to apply it in the field then the GC ones without a doubt. Almalexia seems correct in saying the Limsa ones are the pick of the bunch.

[Luwnax]

If we could set a hp in our grand companies to easily reapply sanction or if there were an rechargeable item that allowed us to apply it in the field then the GC ones without a doubt. Almalexia seems correct in saying the Limsa ones are the pick of the bunch.

I usually bloodwarp to my Inn HP in Limsa >> NPC Warp to the GC Command >> Return back to Primal/Dungeon HP. With loading screens and walking distance it takes ~1minute.

Edit: However, it could take longer if you have all 50s.

[Meleena]

Not necessarily. The added effect of Ifrit procs 9-10% of the time--if I remember right--and then only on normal attacks. On the other hand, you could have +1DMG on all attacks and WSs. A higher DMG rating also yields a higher WS stat cap. How much? We don't know yet, but it's something else to consider.

I havent tested but it seems to me that it procs far more frequently than 10%
One proc, on one fist gives me at least 30 damage, that should equal with 30 attacks or weaponskills with the GC weapons.

Now about the higher WS cap of only 1 damage, I can't prove my saying but I believe that the cap rise is insignificant unless someone else can provide testing and prove otherwise.

Hooks are better with sanction though, I am with you on that although my STR and INT are already capped even with ifrit claws.
It's too bad that we lose sanction whe we die :/

[Meatdawg]

I havent tested but it seems to me that it procs far more frequently than 10%
One proc, on one fist gives me at least 30 damage, that should equal with 30 attacks or weaponskills with the GC weapons.

Now about the higher WS cap of only 1 damage, I can't prove my saying but I believe that the cap rise is insignificant unless someone else can provide testing and prove otherwise.

Hooks are better with sanction though, I am with you on that although my STR and INT are already capped even with ifrit claws.
It's too bad that we lose sanction whe we die :/

I ran AV a few times after picking up the Uldah GC weapons. Had sanction on for the first 2 kills on miser and my howling fist combo was doing 1550's on average. (I wasnt using food that night, atk was at 705 with fof)

Once sanction wore off I switched back to ifrit claws and was doing 1450's on average with the howling fist combo.

Now is it the 15 atk difference (+30 vs +45) or is it the 1 base damage that is making that much of a difference.

[Almalexia]

Now is it the 15 atk difference (+30 vs +45) or is it the 1 base damage that is making that much of a difference.

Not enough samples to say for sure. You could have dealt damage on the lower range for Ifrit and the upper range for GC, although I don't think it's mechanically possible for +15ATK to turn out an additional 100 damage.

To this day, nobody has quantified the value of 1 point of weapon DMG, but the increment from Ifrit to GC is an excellent opportunity to measure it.

[Meleena]

I ran AV a few times after picking up the Uldah GC weapons. Had sanction on for the first 2 kills on miser and my howling fist combo was doing 1550's on average. (I wasnt using food that night, atk was at 705 with fof)

Once sanction wore off I switched back to ifrit claws and was doing 1450's on average with the howling fist combo.

Now is it the 15 atk difference (+30 vs +45) or is it the 1 base damage that is making that much of a difference.

This might explain a lot:

As Peng pointed out, DPS appears to be the primary damage modifier for WS, not the weapon's damage stat. This is a recent discovery.

[syntaxlies]

This might explain a lot:

I parsed Garuda ax with some other war in SH, I wasn't doing any serious testing but I did notice that on steel cyclone I was maxing 600 and another war was maxing1000. On some ws I was dealing more damage.

If I had to guess, dps number affects the lead in skills to the real ws moves like heavy swing ect. I look forward to seeing some real testing though.