Why can't we all have a House?

[Dionysius]

Because quality > quantity. Simple as that.
Maybe they can give housing for everyone, but at what cost? No more neighborhoods? Reduced item limits/storage?
Also does everyone even need a house?

[Jadedsins]

Because quality > quantity. Simple as that.
Maybe they can give housing for everyone, but at what cost? No more neighborhoods? Reduced item limits/storage?
Also does everyone even need a house?

Does everyone need glam?


and that cost seems fair to me.

No more neighborhoods fine with me. Reduced items sure?


A small price to pay for having a house and not needing to keep a sub up when the game becomes too tedious to pay for.

[Dionysius]

Does everyone need glam?


and that cost seems fair to me.

No more neighborhoods fine with me. Reduced items sure?


A small price to pay for having a house and not needing to keep a sub up when the game becomes too tedious to pay for.

Then enjoy your apartment and FC room. There you go... There is something for everyone, isn't that nice.

[Jadedsins]

Then enjoy your apartment and FC room. There you go... There is something for everyone, isn't that nice.

Not enough size and options. So nope not nice at all. Can't even share it with my husband.


Time to wreck some houses and rebuild the system. That will make me happy.

[aveyond-dreams]

Here we go. This is probably breaking news to those who own "RP cafes!" and whatnot but most people do not care for and sometimes outright dislike being stuck in a neighbourhood with other people.

The reason? People who want to have a normal looking house do not want to be in the same space as people who use Moogle, Carbuncle, and goodness forbid Paissa Houses. A lot of more solo rpg type players which the game does much to attract simply want their own space to do with as they wish. We are not interested in your house. We want our own.

As for the suggestion to join an FC to get an apartment, do you not realize how broken the system is that you're having to suggest such a thing in the first place? In any case that is the last thing I would advise someone to do because I've seen just how bizarre some fcs act, with blocking the door to apartments to prevent people leaving to kicking people randomly over all sorts of disagreements. Who knows, maybe some people will start charging people to join their FC to get an apartment and then once they have their money, kick them so they can go scam someone else. If there's one thing you should never do is underestimate this playerbase.

Would people be ok with reduced items in solo housing? Probably, yeah. Because as it stands now you can't reduce the item storage that those players currently have in housing further, which is 0. People do not want to engage in housing to mimic real life housing shortages, they just want something nice to decorate and relax in. People may come and go from houses only for bots to end up winning the clicking war instead of real people and as for apartments, nobody vacates them because there is no penalty for not going inside them for more than a month. There are apartments in game that were bought when they came out and still lie empty.

As it stands now I have an apartment for my main, that I invested well over 5 million gil in decorating, but despite having the funds to do so I have no intention of engaging with lotteries or click wars for a house. I am not interested in people who will eventually fill up the wards with meme houses or dealing with fighting likely over 50-100 people per small house in the lotteries, only to then lose my house if I have to take a break for over a month.

[RitsukoSonoda]

Housing system when originally added was an FC feature. They didn't allow personal houses until some time later when they saw large amounts of the wards and plots remaining empty because back then it actually took some effort to get the gil to cover the plot costs. For the most part the personal homes worked as well when it was first made available aside from some outliers like that person that chose to buy every house over an entire ward on one world. When game economy inflation got to the point people were having a much easier time affording a house then the RMT and "flippers" became an issue.

As people have mentioned its an old system. Changing it would likely impact more of the game than just housing so it's not likely to change any time soon. They add more wards to over time when they get the hardware for it and are sure doing so won't cause problems with connectivity.

One of the largest impacts to housing availability is how much the game economy has inflated over the years since it's addition because the game lacks effective gil sinks to take it out of circulation at a rate that can compete with the rate players are creating it through in game activities. Because of this just about everyone not on a free account can afford a small house at least.

The fact it's a limited resource is most likely the other main factor to the house demand. You see people claiming they want gardening or FC crafting. However when actually looked into the gardening plots are usually found empty and FC crafting projects idle. Some just keep with the voyages for the items. The fact its a limited resource simply makes people want it and I'm fairly sure a majority of the players saying they want or "need" a house wouldn't really do anything with it once they got it. They just want it to have it because it's a limited resource.

[Caurcas]

You are not guaranteed a house. Deal with it and learn the system.

[aveyond-dreams]

People would say to "deal with it!" in those bygone times before apartments which a lot of players largely praised them for adding and now that after 8 years they're running out we're being told to "deal with" the fact that a huge chunk of the playerbase is locked out of one of the main gil sinks and forms of player expression in game.

History repeating itself like a clock here. You may not be entitled to a mansion but I believe that every player should be able to have some space to themselves they can decorate even if its the size of an FFXI mog house. Then again many times "hardcore" players like chiming in to say that others are entitled for wanting basic functionality added to things like hairstyles, hats, and by extent housing.

[Jadedsins]

You are not guaranteed a house. Deal with it and learn the system.

I am dealing with it. By giving feedback and call out Yoshi P for saying one thing, and designing systems that encourages another.


So I guess you just got to deal with that.

[MistakeNot]

I can't speak to New World, but Lotro can add more neighborhoods now b/c it has had so much shrinkage of playerbase over the years. They used ot have more neighborhoods, then they had less cus less players, and thus they now have room to add more as needed, cus there aren't at peak capacity atm. I remember, back when it was at its peak player numbers (I played since launch in 2008), that housing was an issue exactly like it is now in FF14. They hit neighborhood capacity and you had to wait till someone went into escrow due to not logging in to pay their property fees before their plot went on the market again. And, oh yeah, there were/are property fees. And no apartments. At least there weren't as of 2014 or so, which is the last time I really played.

Back in the day, housing in LOTRO did NOT go back on the market when people failed to pay the fees. The houses just stayed locked with an ever-increasing amount of back-fees that needed to be payed to open them up again.

Eventually (in 2013) that changed and houses did go back on the market after the fees had been unpaid for long enough, at which point a lot of houses belonging to people who had stopped playing became available again.