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    Quote Originally Posted by Palslow View Post
    I absolutely hate the housing system. I tried and tried and tried, and never succeeded.
    Have you at least purchased an apartment? As much as they get bashed because they're not the same size as a house and a lack a couple of a house's features (ability to use outdoor furnishings and intercross gardening), they aren't as bad as many make them out to be. They just aren't "the best" of housing.

    Another thing to do is check with friends who have houses and see if they'll add you as a tenant. A personal house can have up to 3 tenants in addition to the owner, with the owner enabling permissions to the main housing features. Again, not quite as good as having a house of your own that you fully control but still something you can take advantage of until you're able to get your own house.

    Hopefully you'll be able to obtain a house when Ishgard opens in 6.1 and the lottery ends up taking over as the primary purchase system.
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    I wonder if we could rent own houses to others at this state of the game
    I mean the OF suggests already property taxes so why not rent it to others then. Wouldnt make a difference if you're paying "taxes" to other players or to Square
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    I have an apartment. It has only a fraction of the space and content that I want. This is why I am hoping to get a house. I will take my chances along with everyone else when the lottery comes.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Yodada View Post
    I wonder if we could rent own houses to others at this state of the game
    I mean the OF suggests already property taxes so why not rent it to others then. Wouldnt make a difference if you're paying "taxes" to other players or to Square
    Officially, I doubt SE would ever add player controlled rentals to the game. Unofficially it's already happening, usually with house owners renting their unused garden patches to players who want to be gardening.

    As for the property tax, that serves a purpose as a gil sink in addition to being a deterrent to owning property not being actively used. Paying rent to other players is not a gil sink and it would encourage purchasing property that wouldn't be otherwise used for the sake of personal profit. That's not SE's intent for the housing system. If it was, they would have set up formal systems for it and wouldn't be trying to kill house flipping through the addition of purchase timers back in 4.2 along with the lotteries and new restrictions on transfer of FC leadership coming in 6.1.
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    Sorry I'm adding the /s next time I promise
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    After having housing this bad for this long, it is a developer issue. This is what they want. It is wrong. It is dumb. It is a bad decision.

    But it is their decision. I suggest we all just keep an eye for other mmos. Maybe RIFT will get its shit together. Best housing system ever I'm that game.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Necrotica View Post
    After having housing this bad for this long, it is a developer issue. This is what they want. It is wrong. It is dumb. It is a bad decision.

    But it is their decision. I suggest we all just keep an eye for other mmos. Maybe RIFT will get its shit together. Best housing system ever I'm that game.
    All of that just because you don't want apartment (instanced) and you can't get a ward house?
    Well, there is Lost Ark and it is free?
    Right now, only Korean is making MMO (although it is usually instant noodle type and died in few years) , maybe you are lucky this time?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Divinemights View Post
    All of that just because you don't want apartment (instanced) and you can't get a ward house?
    Well, there is Lost Ark and it is free?
    Right now, only Korean is making MMO (although it is usually instant noodle type and died in few years) , maybe you are lucky this time?
    An apartment is tiny and not a good example of what instanced housing can be. Even the smallest Dimension in RIFT was roughly the size of a FFXIV mansion plot. Some of the larger Dimensions would rival Kugane in size including the instance ceiling being above the top of the hostelry - and you could freely place any items within that area, no glitch tricks needed.

    People really don't understand what bad design choices SE has made for housing until they've experienced the much better housing systems in some of the other MMOs (even ones as old as FFXIV). The art aesthetic here is better (my opinion, others may disagree) but the system functions, especially the ability to acquire the location you want, are terrible. Maybe SE was hampered by the promised PS3 support but PS3 is long gone now. They should be working to improve the housing system, not leave it stagnant.
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    Honestly, it would be better if they ABANDONED the Wards system. Add in instanced housing. Make islands the answer to the problem. Make it possible for EVERYONE to have the housing space they want.
    To the people suggesting apartments as a solution: Apartments are just not enough space, and are a hassle to invite other players to. They're not good enough for those of us that love to decorate and share our spaces. They're also fairly limited, as many wards on my server have none available... And you should not have to join a free company to get a small housing space that can be taken away from you in an instant.

    The wards system is just not working. The game is too big, now. It barely worked in the old days of Lotro, the game they copied the system from, and only worked there because they could afford to add enough wards (having over 70 for each housing area). Nothing less than doubling or tripling the amount of wards is going to make so much as a dent in the issue. Make instanced housing a thing, SE, for individuals and FC's.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Divinemights View Post
    All of that just because you don't want apartment (instanced) and you can't get a ward house?
    Well, there is Lost Ark and it is free?
    Right now, only Korean is making MMO (although it is usually instant noodle type and died in few years) , maybe you are lucky this time?
    Come to a populated server. Look for an apartment. Poof, there goes your solution.

    Many people are willing to settle, but even the apartment availability is horrifically underequipped.
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    I love this game, but the housing aspect couldn't be more incompetently handled and that incompetence boils down to the design-level because some devs have some insipid nostalgia for a neighborhood. (My neighborhood's activity is restricted to a biweekly brothel. How nice.)
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