Are Combat Mentor Requirements Too Easy?

[Rinhi]

This kind of mentor system is brought up a lot. Delete the crown, remove rewards and just have people volunteer for it.

Well, it's already in the game. When you've done your daily roulettes and gotten your xp/tomes, queue again for no reward on a level 80 job. I have a feeling that not many of the complainers are actually doing that. Definitely not 2000 times.

I do that quite often! I don't even have mentor roulette unlocked as I'm missing a crapton of guildhests and extreme trials
so there's at least one "complainer" here that does just that :P (though I also complain about a hella lot more)

[Katie_Kitty]

In my experience, the mentor system is mostly fine and the mentor bashing is an overblown meme pushed by salty people. I do mentor roulettes every day. I help sprouts clear extremes in mentor roulette every day. It's not unheard of for my very first mentor roulette of the day to be an extreme, which we generally clear in one or a few pulls. Over the course of about 1100 roulettes so far, I can count on one hand the number of individual mentors who have caused problems in roulettes, even extremes. Generally, the mentors I encounter are ready to take on anything, and they do.

If I had to guess, I suspect the mentors people see that are causing problems are the ones who do not actually use the roulette. They probably do not even have the roulette unlocked because they have not completed all the duties in the game.

The biggest problem with the mentor system is they put a reward on it. You are going to always have people only after the reward instead of helping people. It's nice that they want to reward people who help others out, but the current system does nothing to assure that actually happens. Until they can design a system that assures only those who really do want to make the game experience better for others are the people who can become mentors, then it's going to be flawed.

The reward is fine. There's nothing wrong with offering a reward. I can tell you I would not run the roulette anywhere near as often as I do if there was not a reward attached. The bottom line is that just because you "want to help and that's the only reason you are here" doesn't mean you are actually good at helping or able to ensure the clear. Some of the people who are most eager to help everyone are, in fact, the ones who have no idea what they're talking about and generally give terrible advice. Therefore, if you think removing the rewards will help the system, then I say think again.

[Snorky]

Here's the regular mentor complaint thread right on time. Hmm wonder what angle they will come up with next week? I mean the OP has a join date of this month and 1 post history can we be trolled any harder?

[Rein_eon_Osborne]

I see battle mentors more like a "I've played this game long enough time to get enough commendations!"-badge. So it's both yes and no. Yes because it's something that any player will inevitably get. No because despite that the time requirement is still quite lengthy compared to... the living meme that is Trade Mentor.

[Rinhi]

I see battle mentors more like a "I've played this game long enough time to get enough commendations!"-badge. So it's both yes and no. Yes because it's something that any player will inevitably get. No because despite that the time requirement is still quite lengthy compared to... the living meme that is Trade Mentor.

I second this
I've gotten most of my commendations when I was a bad player, be it as a 100% medica 2 and regen uptime when it wasn't needed WHM, the not pulling enough in easy or pulling too much in the 4-5 harder dungeons GNB or the I'm just pressing those glowing buttons with barely good enough gear MNK
many times, during those dark, dark times, I've gotten 3, sometimes even 5-6 commendations from premades, even when I didn't deserve them one bit or even held them back
it's sadly not a sign that someone is a good player

[Jeeqbit]

I second this
I've gotten most of my commendations when I was a bad player, be it as a 100% medica 2 and regen uptime when it wasn't needed WHM, the not pulling enough in easy or pulling too much in the 4-5 harder dungeons GNB or the I'm just pressing those glowing buttons with barely good enough gear MNK
many times, during those dark, dark times, I've gotten 3, sometimes even 5-6 commendations from premades, even when I didn't deserve them one bit or even held them back
it's sadly not a sign that someone is a good player

It's not necessarily a sign they are a good player. It's usually a sign they are an experienced player. The point of a mentor is to share experience. If one mentor does not have the right information to share, in the context of the novice network dozens of others will share their experiences too and most of them will say the right answer.

[Liam_Harper]

I see battle mentors more like a "I've played this game long enough time to get enough commendations!"-badge.

It's not just about playing the game for a long time though. I've played the game for years and I have maybe 700 comms. The reason being, you don't get comms from Party Finder, Statics, Squadrons, Trusts, running with FC, friends, or content like DR. Some players avoid Duty Finder like the plague, but still have considerable experience with the game.

[linayar]

It's not just about playing the game for a long time though. I've played the game for years and I have maybe 700 comms. The reason being, you don't get comms from Party Finder, Statics, Squadrons, Trusts, running with FC, friends, or content like DR. Some players avoid Duty Finder like the plague, but still have considerable experience with the game.

That shows what a mentor actually is, someone who helps with random players on regular duty finder contents.

That's why requirements like Savage clears is irrelevant because that's not the context of where a mentor is needed.

And remember, even a silent mentor who just runs the duty with new adventurers without active mentoring can still help with exp boost at the appropriate levels. That's why people should not shy away from being mentors just because of some reputation/meme/whatever.

[Rhus]

Even if you had them pass ultimate remember even rich passed all three and that’s before you get into the selling of clears