Endwalker Housing Update

[SanadaX]

Wow. After years of housing salt, the relocation feature gets the boot. Unless someone is missing something here... this really sucks. I'm sure all the homeless are jumping for joy knowing they just screwed the homeowners over... Are we sure this is for all wards and not just lottery wards? First come first serve could still have it enabled... otherwise why not remove it entirely?

[Dewslam]

Wow. After years of housing salt, the relocation feature gets the boot. Unless someone is missing something here... this really sucks. I'm sure all the homeless are jumping for joy knowing they just screwed the homeowners over... Are we sure this is for all wards and not just lottery wards? First come first serve could still have it enabled... otherwise why not remove it entirely?

The fact that people who abuse the relocation system as it is immediately leap to assuming people are taking delight in "knowing they just screwed the homeowners over" is pretty telling, my dude. No one wants to hurt the players who have a home, but the relocation system as is, is pretty awful and is actively detrimental towards a fair system that enabled players to get houses they wanted. Instead plots like The Goblet are in a constant state of flux as rich people snap up all of the small plots just so they can swap to the plot they really want as soon as it goes up for sale without having to play fair like everyone else.

Reactions to this change just remind me of the old quote "When you're accustomed to privilege equality feels like oppression." because lmao, home owners aren't being screwed over in any way. You just have to wait in line and play fair like everyone else now, and the fact that so many people are crying furious tears about how they can't just keep cutting in line jumping from house to house while so many other people haven't even had a chance to get one plot yet is absolutely hilarious. Relocation still exists and still functions fine; you just aren't being given special status that lets you act like you're better than everyone else.

[Rathmir]

I'm always wondering about other people's math abilities, when they say "You will have less chances than now"...

At the moment, only small goblet plots have real chances by camping method, as not too many would relocate into those. Every other district is quickly filled by relos, kicking every newcomer with close to 0% chances to get something there - maybe even after 8-10-12-16 hours of camping until a relo appears and grabs it in no time.
Booting that mechanic just spreads the chances into all styles, and not turning Goblet into other-district-ticket for better places. It had it's time with many free plots around, but nowadays it should really taken out.

For lottery, it has to show what comes out. Sure, like often some people get their chances lowered, as they frequently spent their time with camping.
But the casual player might benefit, as a lot of their time (=chances) are already gone by following other activities (work, sleep, other hobbies, FF-related stuff, etc.). And with the little time left often under competition with others player, some maybe acting via bots/scripts? Their chances are already often 2% and even far-far less.

The lottery gets everyone interested onto same level... And might reactivate some people, who already gave up on that topic long ago, so they also regulary apply on plots. That might be a crucial information for Squeenix, what further actions they might take for the future to really solve the problem. It's not helping anyone if they come up with a solution for 5000, and only 500 will take the offer in the end.

Not saying, that disabling relocation and celebrating lottery are the pinnacle of ideas to have around that topic. Better certainly has to come up, sanctuary around the corner or not.

[Jojoya]

I'm always wondering about other people's math abilities, when they say "You will have less chances than now"...

At the moment, only small goblet plots have real chances by camping method, as not too many would relocate into those. Every other district is quickly filled by relos, kicking every newcomer with close to 0% chances to get something there - maybe even after 8-10-12-16 hours of camping until a relo appears and grabs it in no time.
Booting that mechanic just spreads the chances into all styles, and not turning Goblet into other-district-ticket for better places. It had it's time with many free plots around, but nowadays it should really taken out.

For lottery, it has to show what comes out. Sure, like often some people get their chances lowered, as they frequently spent their time with camping.
But the casual player might benefit, as a lot of their time (=chances) are already gone by following other activities (work, sleep, other hobbies, FF-related stuff, etc.). And with the little time left often under competition with others player, some maybe acting via bots/scripts? Their chances are already often 2% and even far-far less.

The lottery gets everyone interested onto same level... And might reactivate some people, who already gave up on that topic long ago, so they also regulary apply on plots. That might be a crucial information for Squeenix, what further actions they might take for the future to really solve the problem. It's not helping anyone if they come up with a solution for 5000, and only 500 will take the offer in the end.

Not saying, that disabling relocation and celebrating lottery are the pinnacle of ideas to have around that topic. Better certainly has to come up, sanctuary around the corner or not.

Your math is bad if you think a one in 1000 chance to get something is better than having a one in 30 chance to get that something.

Normal players have won the click wars against the click bots. Look at the story that's been circulating in the past week about the player who won Placard Savage - then turned it into 237 million gil by placing a retainer to sell items to the click-bots that were still standing at the placard.

The only thing the lottery will do is allow players to spend more time doing other things in game instead of spending it camping a placard. It will not improve their chances of getting a house and we'll still be inundated with the same complaints about not being able to get a house. It's always fun to think that you'll be the winner of a lottery but it will never happen for most people.

[SanadaX]

The fact that people who abuse the relocation system as it is immediately leap to assuming people are taking delight in "knowing they just screwed the homeowners over" is pretty telling, my dude. No one wants to hurt the players who have a home, but the relocation system as is, is pretty awful and is actively detrimental towards a fair system that enabled players to get houses they wanted. Instead plots like The Goblet are in a constant state of flux as rich people snap up all of the small plots just so they can swap to the plot they really want as soon as it goes up for sale without having to play fair like everyone else.

Reactions to this change just remind me of the old quote "When you're accustomed to privilege equality feels like oppression." because lmao, home owners aren't being screwed over in any way. You just have to wait in line and play fair like everyone else now, and the fact that so many people are crying furious tears about how they can't just keep cutting in line jumping from house to house while so many other people haven't even had a chance to get one plot yet is absolutely hilarious. Relocation still exists and still functions fine; you just aren't being given special status that lets you act like you're better than everyone else.

If you want to talk about awful you should be talking about the housing system entirely. Sure, people that would relocated onto other plots screwed people over but now you are funneling every player into the worst part of the system. Of course relocators are pissed. Regardless if they want to admit it... Every homeowner is like the meme of the 3 dudes on the balcony looking down on the peons. Funny but true. Now you have all these people who only relocated because it was the only plot up, not in the area they wanted, Now lining up again to relocate?