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    Quote Originally Posted by SeverianLyonesse View Post
    AND I think you are doing great and generally not the sort of person I am criticizing. There is a substantial difference between taking one day off and taking an entire week or two off, across several axes. I was specifically addressing people taking multiple days off from work, which is where I think it starts to become unhealthy.
    At the same time, who are you or anyone else to shame people for having video game as their hobby in their busy lives and want to take their hard earned vaction to play on launch?

    I know myself as someone in the mid 30s with familylife and whatnot, playing a game is the one of few activities I have time for, outside of;

    - Spending time with loved ones
    - Going to the gym
    - Reading
    - What else that takes up time in your adult life
    - etc
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sotaris View Post
    At the same time, who are you or anyone else to shame people for having video game as their hobby in their busy lives and want to take their hard earned vaction to play on launch?

    I know myself as someone in the mid 30s with familylife and whatnot, playing a game is the one of few activities I have time for, outside of;

    - Spending time with loved ones
    - Going to the gym
    - Reading
    - What else that takes up time in your adult life
    - etc
    What I am imparting is simply the wisdom of basic complex systems theory: the less robust a system is, the more susceptible it is to falling apart in the face of even minor inconveniences.

    If people don't want to be devastated by something completely reasonable like a two week delay of something as relatively inconsequential as a video game...don't hinge so much of your happiness on one single media event going as planned. And I have seen enough posts here and on reddit to show that there are definitely some people who were substantially affected by the delay--which to me says more about them and their dependency on the game than anything the developers did wrong.

    Some of you clapping back seem to realize I'm not actually addressing you, and instead you are defending what I believe is a pretty...fallible?...heuristic, "don't criticize how people live their lives" (which, if I may be blunt, quite often reads to me as a euphemistic deflection, "don't suggest that defining my identity by my consumer habits might be vacuous and/or irresponsible"). Which, I guess good for you for having some sort of moral compass, even though for many reasons I do not agree with this neoliberal approach to discussion.

    Here's the thing, though. This is a public forum. One that is quite susceptible to people posting incredibly myopic, self-centered, underthought threads like this one. 1) By making a thread here, OP is submitting to public comment. 2) Which I as a participating member of this community have done, because I get quite irritated by seeing places of public discourse clogged up with whiny non-topics.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SeverianLyonesse View Post
    What I am imparting is simply the wisdom of basic complex systems theory: the less robust a system is, the more susceptible it is to falling apart in the face of even minor inconveniences.

    If people don't want to be devastated by something completely reasonable like a two week delay of something as relatively inconsequential as a video game...don't hinge so much of your happiness on one single media event going as planned. And I have seen enough posts here and on reddit to show that there are definitely some people who were substantially affected by the delay--which to me says more about them and their dependency on the game than anything the developers did wrong.

    Some of you clapping back seem to realize I'm not actually addressing you, and instead you are defending what I believe is a pretty...fallible?...heuristic, "don't criticize how people live their lives" (which, if I may be blunt, quite often reads to me as a euphemistic deflection, "don't tell me defining my identity by my consumer habits is vacuous and/or irresponsible"). Which, I guess good for you for having some sort of moral compass, even though for many reasons I do not agree with this neoliberal approach to discussion.

    Here's the thing, though. This is a public forum. One that is quite susceptible to people posting incredibly myopic, self-centered, underthought threads like this one. 1) By making a thread they are submitting to public comment. 2) Which I as a participating member of this community have done, because I get quite irritated by seeing places of public discourse clogged up with whiny non-topics.
    As I said before I do in many ways agree with your sentiment but you have a habit of delivering it like you're looking down your nose at everyone and patronising them. You wont convince anyone like that.

    I also think you are massively over thinking this with all this talk of neolibralism and whatnot. It's about basic empathy for people who blew holiday allowance on something which is now cancelled, that's all.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Artemiz View Post
    As I said before I do in many ways agree with your sentiment but you have a habit of delivering it like you're looking down your nose at everyone and patronising them. You wont convince anyone like that.

    I also think you are massively over thinking this with all this talk of neolibralism and whatnot. It's about basic empathy for people who blew holiday allowance on something which is now cancelled, that's all.
    Fair, some measured sympathy. But the thread creation is unnecessary, and I would hope this would be a learning experience for some of those younger folk.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SeverianLyonesse View Post
    But the thread creation is unnecessary
    Is it? Why?
    And do you mean all of the threads about the delay? Or this one specifically?
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    Quote Originally Posted by ItMe View Post
    Is it? Why?
    And do you mean all of the threads about the delay? Or this one specifically?
    Most of the threads, the ones complaining on some similar basis of taking time off from their jobs.

    Like almost any complaint thread, they do not come from a very well-reasoned position and don't foster productive discussion. I'm not opposed to forums having an off-topic rant section that people can vent in, but I think the argument for stuff like this belonging in a general discussion section is pretty weak. Forgive my French, but these are usually just the starting point for benchfest threads.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SeverianLyonesse View Post
    Forgive my French, but these are usually just the starting point for benchfest threads.
    What are those?
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