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    Sunako Kirishiki
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    Assize should have second charge

    The second charge for Divine Benison is IMO wasted opportunity. The second charge on Divine benison does not help anything IMO. Assize should be the one with the second charge.

    You use assize mainly for damage and waste healing opportunities it has. If it would have a second charge, you could use it for healing without DPS loss. Another issue is that it is out of sync from raid buffs. The second charge would fix that issue too.
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    Last edited by Sunako; 11-06-2021 at 07:09 AM.

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    Adeacia Lightheart
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    I've always used it for damage and healing. The MP gain as well. Not difficult to get full use out of the skill.
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    Ritzia Flameshadow
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    I’d prefer a second charge of tetra so we actually have a good ogcd heal to weave more often. That being said I also use assize on cooldown for the damage and mp gain.
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    Mira Clearweaver
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    This was discussed briefly in another thread before. So long as both healing and damage component happens at the same time, there's only so much you can do to avoid wasting the healing without losing dps. Not to mention WHMs has to keep it on cooldown for both damage and MP economy.
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    Liam Harper
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    I see no reason why not. You'll obviously never let it cap over 1 charge and blow the spare for dps, but you could still have the freedom to use that 1 charge as a heal cooldown. There's technically a dps gain to blow 2 charges during raid buffs, but it's so minor that you'd only need to bother if you were chasing gold logs.
    It's not a big fix, but it'd certainly be an improvement over what we have.

    Quote Originally Posted by Adeacia View Post
    I've always used it for damage and healing. The MP gain as well. Not difficult to get full use out of the skill.
    How?

    You can get some heal value out of Assize by understanding whether the next raidwide will happen before Assize comes off cooldown or not, but you still have no control over whether mechanics will align with a 45 sec timer. If you hold it you lose dps. It's an impossible ability to gain full value from.
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    Sebazy Spiritwalker
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    Adding a second charge would be a great move as it'd help make assize quite a lot more flexible and versatile.

    Sitting on a charge to use for as a healing oGCD wouldn't be a significant MP & DPS loss anymore (something which EW is going to make even more important).

    It'd also allow WHMs to dump charges during DPS windows to help them keep up with the other healers a little better.

    Win win all round, I can't really think of any other reason not to like a change like this outside of 'f healers' tbh.
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    Qynden Peltier
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    Could just split Assize into 2 different abilities. One for damage and MP regeneration and the other an oGCD aoe heal. Give the damaging one 2 charges on a 30 second cooldown (because lord knows WHM will need all the help it can get coming into the EW raiding scene and with it's horrific MP economy) and have the healing one stay at 45 or a longer cooldown. Only problem is button bloat but that can be solved by removing Cure 3 :runsaway:
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    Giving Assize a 2nd charge solves nothing because holding a stack is wasting damage and MP restore. The damage component would need to be nerfed heavily so that the heal is the primary purpose of the skill and the MP restore would need to an entirely different ability in order to make it a healing tool but as Assize currently stands, the MP restore is FAR too valuable to be kept in reserve and the damage component exacerbates that issue further. The awkward CD of 45 seconds doesn't help it either because how few AoEs actually occur at 45 second intervals.

    Realistically, what would a second charge do? You blow the 1st on damage and hold the 2nd for an AoE damage to utilize the heal. Guess what? You are now out of charges and are right back to square 1 where you are blowing Assize on CD because Damage/MP. Nothing has realistically changed. You still don't get to use Assize as a heal outside of that 1 time. That's hardly any better than what you're currently doing with Assize and unless there's a transition that downs you for the duration to build up a second stack of Assize, you still only get 1 extra heal usage out of it.

    1-2 extra uses out of a 7+ minute fight. That's laughable for a healing ability but I guess that's the norm for WHM. I mean, I only get 2 uses out of Benediction and soon Lilybell in those same situations, so it's fine. Mediocrity is fine. It's all fine.
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    Jonathan Clover
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    I'm all for this, especially since weaving windows will no longer be an issue come 6.0. This would be great for them, especially if the Thin Air change is staying the way it is.

    Like Sebazy said, I see no reason why NOT to make this happen.
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    A 2nd charge of assize would definitely be more awesome than divine benison.
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