Please fix Baldesion Arsenal.

[AluminumSiren]

First and foremost, I don't want this post to argue about pre-mades vs "snipers". This argument has been done a thousand times, both sides have merits, and neither side is inherently wrong. Everyone should be allowed to try the content put in game.


I'm going to make a comparison. You want to do content like DRS, E12s, or even something easier like Lv80 EXs. You read strats and watch videos, buy consumables, plan your jobs and classes, and get your party together to enter Duty Finder. Now imagine DF is similar to portals in BA. Someone else happened to que at the same time, so now you have a random person in your party who may or may not be prepared, be the proper job, etc. How well do you think that runs going to go? What if they happen to take the spot of your main tank? Your main healer? Your run is pretty much shot. And even if that person is well prepared, you're still disappointed that one of your friends is suddenly forced to not be able to raid with you, not to mention the disappointment felt by the person who is left out by no fault of themselves.

This is what BA currently is. The worst part, is that neither side is wrong. Everyone should be allowed to do the content. But the way it's set up now, is made not only to fail, but to cause rifts and a lot of anger between players. Entry into game content should not be a competition.

That being said, while BA itself isn't very difficult, it does require a bit of planning. I really don't think it's the type of content that you can just shove 50+ random people in and expect it to go well. The current system does not work.

There are two main types of group content in this game. First being: most things that you can que for in DF, and places like Castrum and Dalriada. It's made that so a random que of people should easily be able to clear it. At most they require a couple people to know what they're doing and they can direct or carry the group if need be.

The second being: content that is more difficult and requires some planning to complete, via either mechanics or consumables. Examples of this generally things like EX's, Unreals, Savage, Ultimates. You can't just que for it and have to form up a party to match mechanics.

One of the biggest issues with BA is that it is the second type of content while having the first type of entry requirements.

I'm not going to pretend like I know the perfect solution to fix BA. This is what I'd like this thread to be about: suggestions to fix BA, and again, not just arguments about "pre-made" vs "snipers".

• If BA entry is going to stay as-is, the content needs to be simplified and scaled, so that it can actually be completed by a random group of people, similar to Castrum and Dalriada in Bozja.

• If BA entry is going to stay as-is, consider adding fragments as a reward to the support fate or Ovni, so not everyone feels pressured to enter BA because they have to do it to complete their Eureka gear. (This would need to be set in such a way that it's still more beneficial to directly do BA, otherwise no one would want to go in and everyone want only want to do support).

• Take away the portal system and add BA to duty finder.

Eureka is a lot of fun and it still has a huge attraction despite being fairly old content, but it seems like a lot of players really have negative feelings toward BA in general.

[Trekkie22]

You do realise the +2 and Physeos weapons are for use only in Eureka right as they have Eureka only benefits? You absolutely do not need them to "be geared" and the Eureka bonuses are not needed for any content outside of BA.

+1 and Eureka are considered the finished stage of a relic/armor hence why when you get the "Eureka" weapon you get the corresponding achievement. You get no visual or out of Eureka strength bonuses from onwards.

There are plenty of discords/premade groups running BA regularly. Go do those. It does not need to be nerfed. It's plenty easy as is. From what I gather as long as you at least bring the basic logograms they are happy to take take you.

An example would be for a RDM like myself Wisdom of the Skirmisher/Elder and Spirit of the Remembered. Which you can buy fairly cheap if you go the Conceptual Logogram method of crafting. Albeit it's a bit more rng in the craft but cheaper.

I get people might find BA daunting to get into but as I said there are groups out there happy to take first timers and whatnot. I found it daunting myself at first then I joined the premades and it was nice.

[AluminumSiren]

My husband and I have been doing Eureka/BA since it's release. I'm in the discords, I join pre-made runs often. 90% of the pre-made runs recently have been having issues from outside players using portals. Which again, is no one's fault, everyone should be able to do the content. This has been a problem for years. Even in Stormblood runs were ruined because of this. There are other threads with hundreds of posts talking about the issues groups have had because of this, so it's not just me.

We've had runs completely cancelled because of the bad luck of outside players managing to take portals from tanks/healers.

Please stick to topic instead of assuming my experience or possible lack thereof.

[Curisu]

I really don't think it's the type of content that you can just shove 50+ random people in and expect it to go well. The current system does not work.

It does work like this on the JP DC.

And on the EU Light DC we organize a lot BA runs via Discord to help others to get the mount and new player have priority.

• If BA entry is going to stay as-is, the content needs to be simplified and scaled, so that it can actually be completed by a random group of people, similar to Castrum and Dalriada in Bozja.

BA already scales down to a minimum of 24 player (for AV 32 because 8 player join with the support fate)
It even can be done with just 12 player, but that needs a lot of preperation.

• If BA entry is going to stay as-is, consider adding fragments as a reward to the support fate, so not everyone feels pressured to enter BA because they have to do it to complete their Eureka gear.

Elemental gear is not needed for BA. We had Newbie runs with 40 new player and were able to clear. The most important thing for BA is preperation and the correct logos actions.
The crystal reward itself is also enough to attract people in the instance to help.

I would prefer a system to use spare fragments for something else.
I and others have already 3k+

• Take away the portal system and add BA to duty finder.

Call it nostalgia but I like the portal system. It makes the whole thing so unique and special.
Also, on the light DC we rarely have problems with sniper and therefore dont see any problem with the current system.
From the view point of a BA-run organizer it is even a good thing because I can explain things, joke around and take away the tension of the nervous newbies.

Eureka is a lot of fun and it still has a huge attraction despite being fairly old content, but it seems like a lot of players really have negative feelings toward BA in general.

I dont think BA needs a big change like that because you have whole communitys build around it who love to help others to get the mount.

I again can just speak for the Light DC but I dont see many people being negative towards BA.
Yes, they have to join a discord and need to register via a google sheet.
They need to be in the voice chat to listen to the callouts.
But 99.99% of the player are understanding and thankfull about the whole experience, their new mount and the whole organization.

I love BA as it is right now and I dont see any reason to change it.

[AluminumSiren]

And on the EU Light DC we organize a lot BA runs via Discord to help others to get the mount and new player have priority.

That's not shoving 50+ people randomly together. It's the exact opposite.

Elemental gear is not needed for BA. We had Newbie runs with 40 new player and were able to clear. The most important thing for BA is preperation and the correct logos actions.
The crystal reward itself is also enough to attract people in the instance to help.

Where did I say elemental gear was needed for BA? (I didn't). For people that actually like to play Eureka a lot for fun, elemental gear is a huge bonus to have to help out. A small group of people with all their gear can easily prep any NM in any Eureka zone.

Also, on the light DC we rarely have problems with sniper and therefore dont see any problem with the current system.
I again can just speak for the Light DC but I dont see many people being negative towards BA.

"It's not a problem for me, so it doesn't matter". Ok.

It's a huge problem on Primal, or I wouldn't be making this. Not a one time "oh this one guy ruined my day" type problem, but a multi-month, multi YEARS ongoing issue. Even square has aknowledged it's an issue and has tried to address it before. (2019 changes to Ovni and Stabilizers).

Some of us like helping others get their mounts, too. The mount will always be from the achievement of killing Ozma. I'm not sure how changing BA entry requirements will affect that. Ideally BA would be moved to DF where a pre-made alliance is required to que, like DR Savage. People still can help others get mounts, everyone that wants to get in and signs up gets in, no fights over portal sniping.

Our FC planned a run through a BA discord, and so many portals were sniped, that most of the people that needed the mount didn't get in, and on top of that our key roles didn't get in. The run got cancelled. The next run, same thing happened again.

[Zanarkand-Ronso]

Your not asking for a Fix. For asking for a Change.
A fix means its broken, which it isn't. You just dont like the current way it works...so you want it to change.

BA doesn't need to be simplified and scaled, its a Unique experience exclusive to SB's Eureka. To do this, would take that away, it would also take away 1 more challenging bit of content, which this game lacks no lie. BA is probly the only REAL Raid in the entire game, its the only raid in the game I can think of that can take up to 2 hours and requires legit coordination. IMO this should be maintained, it is unfortunate to think that this Content will disappear over time and that there are many people who wont get to enjoy it....but thats life. Sometimes you miss out on things.

It wont happen, but MY solution instead, is to somehow make it relevant again. Like the next Relic could have some ties to SB content in some way. Just something like that.
Instead of Compromising the content, just keep it relevant in some way

[AluminumSiren]

Your not asking for a Fix. For asking for a Change.
A fix means its broken, which it isn't. You just dont like the current way it works...so you want it to change.

100% I don't like the current way it works. When you have a discord of people that plan an event, where the discord is public knowledge and anyone who isn't being a jerk can join, where the event requires planning with key roles and logos, and then you constantly have 12+ portals being sniped nearly every run, how are you supposed to have fun or do the content?

Again, the problem isn't with BA or the content of BA itself, it's the entry requirements for it that need to change. It's not much fun planning an event and having it crashed, losing your spot, having your friends that you wanted to play with lose their spots.

I think people seem to be missing the heart and point of this post, and it's that

Duty entry should not be a competition.

[Zanarkand-Ronso]

100% I don't like the current way it works. When you have a discord of people that plan an event, where the discord is public knowledge and anyone who isn't being a jerk can join, where the event requires planning with key roles and logos, and then you constantly have 12+ portals being sniped nearly every run, how are you supposed to have fun or do the content?

Again, the problem isn't with BA or the content of BA itself, it's the entry requirements for it that need to change. It's not much fun planning an event and having it crashed, losing your spot, having your friends that you wanted to play with lose their spots.

I think people seem to be missing the heart and point of this post, and it's that

Duty entry should not be a competition.

Not to be mean, but that sounds like a Problem in your area. This can easily sound like Im just saying "Well it doesn't happen to me so it never happens hurr-durr" But in my time doing and being in Eureka this literally wasn't an issue. Maybe I and my Instances were just lucky, but just going off of my experience, I dont think thats as common of an issue as you make it sound.
So I can't side with you that the Entry Requirements need to Change.
Competition wasn't ever an issue.

I haven't missed anything at all, I addressed what you mentioned. I think you are confusing "Missing the Point" with "Disagreement"

[KageTokage]

I agree it is really poorly designed when all it takes is one player who doesn't know how to handle certain mechanics to potentially wipe the entire raid, plus you have ill-prepared players deliberately trying to leech off of groups by waiting for the support team to kill the NM outside then attempting to snag one of the portals.

[Jeeqbit]

This criticism has been made since it came out. Old content usually doesn't get changed but a queue system was added for bozja and zadnor and DR was made to be queued for in DF, so it looks like this was acknowledged for future content.

A lot of the problems with eureka were that it was trying to pay homage to how MMOs like FF11 used to do things, but there is a reason they moved away from all that.