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[Roda]

They have actually said in interviews/liveletters that they were considering putting a system where the player can monitor their own DPS, but they are hesitant about it.

I think the commendation system is fine. Players just aren't incentivized to use it mindfully.

The problem with having a private personal dps meter is you have nothing as a point of reference. Someone might think their X dps is just fine, but just not know that everyone else around them is doing X + X(0.7) or whatever. Same problem as back in the day when people were looking at the threat meter for gauging their own dps,and them being at the top only because the more skilled players were using their threat dumps.
A private ranking system (where you don't see anyone else's rank) helps you gauge how your performance compares to the average over time.

(And yeah I prefer ranking to letter grades. Because its more flexible and less work to have to tailor it for each job, role, and encounter. Crowdsource the performance feedback.)

[puudleduudle]

The problem with having a private personal dps meter is you have nothing as a point of reference. Someone might think their X dps is just fine, but just not know that everyone else around them is doing X + X(0.7) or whatever. Same problem as back in the day when people were looking at the threat meter for gauging their own dps,and them being at the top only because the more skilled players were using their threat dumps.
A private ranking system (where you don't see anyone else's rank) helps you gauge how your performance compares to the average over time.

(And yeah I prefer ranking to letter grades. Because its more flexible and less work to have to tailor it for each job, role, and encounter. Crowdsource the performance feedback.)

Yeah, I mean I don't disagree. I think that's another reason why they are hesitant. How would you effectively put something like that in without comparing it to others? I recall Yoshi-P saying they thought of a gauge that sort of filled up, and if it stayed full you know you are doing your best dps, but it's all conceptual. I don't think we will ever see a party-wide DPS meter because it seems to go against their fundamental design philosophy of party-play.

I was just mentioning it because it is something they have considered.

[Jettinson]

Nah, commendation should just be an extra thing that has no impact with anything and also able to vote multiple players as well to vote when players immediately leave the instance after finishing.

I don't blame a person commending someone that has a funny name, nice glam or been fun to chat with in general but the thing is connected on mentors along with some achievement rewards.
Just make it a fun experience that doesn't stress people or turn some into mindless commend beggars.

I just loathe not able to commend more than 1 person

[Rein_eon_Osborne]

Another grading system thread? Ho boii..

It will never work. Fullstop.

I just loathe not able to commend more than 1 person

This, and not being able to comm that player who blitz out of the dungeon the second the victory fanfare is playing! Let me comm you people, damn it! Come back here!! D:<

[solimiano]

I wouldnt be 100% sure on that. Keep the section about lethargic gameplay in the TOS in mind, depending on how someone responds it could become clear for a GM that someone is not simply unskilled at a job but actively chooses to be lazy.

It depends on the content you are doing, let's say it was mandatory to do stone, sky, sea, or hall of novice before attempting said content, if they can clear that bit as a ice mage... That's it, they are following all the tools that were given to them. Unless they stopped attacking the mobs ( the lethargic bit is more aimed at tanks and healers jobs ) they didnt do nothing wrong...
Precisely why I choose the example of ice mage and not something else, they are still doing their role as dps and damaging the mobs, yes they are well below par because the ice phase is to recover mp but that is beside point of this conversation.
Are they following the group, yes; are they damaging the enemies, yes; are they doing mechanics, some. That is the end of the conversation.
They are not performing at optimal level, not even close, either you can exclude them out of the party due to different play styles or you carry them.
You cannot force your play style on anyone else. Doesn't matter if 99% agree that's the way you should do the content.
Why do you think they introduced the raid finder and removed the extremes and savages out of duty finder....
It doesn't matter if it's helpful, or whatever, they can play as they want as long as they are not offending anyone on chat and as long as they are doing the minimum contribution possible, in this case ice mage.
Oh, calling someone out for just healing and not dealing damage is completely forbidden and will grant you a nice warm ban as well. So this will never happen while square keeps this direction.
The representative of WOW tweet is stance, Yoshi P adjusted the TOS of the game. We now where the company stands, we are here to abide by their rules.

[Saraide]

It depends on the content you are doing, let's say it was mandatory to do stone, sky, sea, or hall of novice before attempting said content, if they can clear that bit as a ice mage... That's it, they are following all the tools that were given to them. Unless they stopped attacking the mobs ( the lethargic bit is more aimed at tanks and healers jobs ) they didnt do nothing wrong...
Precisely why I choose the example of ice mage and not something else, they are still doing their role as dps and damaging the mobs, yes they are well below par because the ice phase is to recover mp but that is beside point of this conversation.
Are they following the group, yes; are they damaging the enemies, yes; are they doing mechanics, some. That is the end of the conversation.
They are not performing at optimal level, not even close, either you can exclude them out of the party due to different play styles or you carry them.
You cannot force your play style on anyone else. Doesn't matter if 99% agree that's the way you should do the content.
Why do you think they introduced the raid finder and removed the extremes and savages out of duty finder....
It doesn't matter if it's helpful, or whatever, they can play as they want as long as they are not offending anyone on chat and as long as they are doing the minimum contribution possible, in this case ice mage.
Oh, calling someone out for just healing and not dealing damage is completely forbidden and will grant you a nice warm ban as well. So this will never happen while square keeps this direction.
The representative of WOW tweet is stance, Yoshi P adjusted the TOS of the game. We now where the company stands, we are here to abide by their rules.

Depends on how you say it. The game expects you to do dps as healer if no one needs healing, one of the hall of novice npcs says that even. Just pointing that out really isnt punishable.

[solimiano]

Exactly, depends on how you say it and what is the context. One of the posts on this thread mentions taking 20 minutes longer doing a dungeon because the healer isn't doing any dps... That is when it's an offence, is the healer performing his duties and keeping everyone alive? You so, you can politely ask him to trow a broil or whatever.
Depending on how the interaction goes he doesn't have too, the healer will have 10000 excuses at his disposal not to do so, and if you file a report ( which square encourages you to do so) I doubt anything will come out of it, if nothing else he can just say it's too hard for him to keep switching between the party to keep everyone alive and the monsters to keep doing damage, at the end of the day, he did his job which was to heal, the group survived and finished the content, although according to the previous post 20 minutes later.
On the other hand if you ask a second time for the healer to dps he can file a report against you, and its most likely being considered harassment, because you have already states you opinion, request, advice and you are now keeping pressure on the innocent healer that was just trying to help the group.
I for one won't be telling an healer to dps... Whatever you do it's up to you.
But back on topic, square enix does not want that they have said so on multiple interviews, every player is awesome and it's doing a great job. They have just updated the TOS precisely to show this.
Even if you are part of an FC or static and you push the border and someone reports you, you will receive a penalty. Do you really think they will implement a way to measure people ...

[TheMightyMollusk]

Forget comms, can the game just give me a sandwich after finishing a dungeon?

[solimiano]

If ever play together just let me know I should have some in the inventory, I know definitely have pizzas

[Lexis]

I don't understand what's with the sudden obsession over 'grading' people's performance in grouping content. There already are tools out there for those who wish work on their performance: Online guides (in both written and video form), DPS trackers, Parsers, etc. I don't see a need for an integrated grading system (not to mention these things are never accurate and fail to factor everything in such as mechanics and other people's actions).

What if you're doing your job perfectly, but the healer is struggling and you end up dying? That's gonna lower your score even though the fault isn't yours. What about mechanics that force you to move and thus it either lowers or interrupts your DPS entirely? The grading system won't take that into consideration either. Top players would most likely know how to read into the data, as is already the case, but the proposed system is more aimed towards casuals who would get little to nothing from these arbitrary grades beyond feeling bad for themselves for not getting a good score.

Grading at the end of group content won't suddenly motivate people into perfecting themselves, whacking away at target dummies for hours on end. The normal content isn't hard enough to justify that kind of effort either.