Asmongold's mom passed away.

[Payadopa]

I don't entirely disagree I don't like the celebrity worship either I find a lot of it to be extremely deranged and creepy.

However it does affect most people when they feel some sort of personal connection to the other person.
If there's an author you love who dies most people will feel more about that than if someone they've never interacted with down the block who they've said hello to once dies.

To me this isn't about celebrity worship, it's not BECAUSE he's popular.
It's because I've watched his streams and heard a lot of stories about his mom and knows how much she meant to him and the sacrifices he made for her, and how a lot of people got into FFXIV because of him and the game got more deserved attention.
To a lot of people he has affected their lives positively more than their neighbour or someone living in the same block has.
I think that some of you are getting a bit hung up on this being a popularity contest, it's not about popularity at all at least not to me.

To be fair, that makes a bit more sense to me. You derived joy out of something and, in turn, wanting to give back. I'm just wondering for how many people here is that actually the case? Do these people come across an obituary and suddenly feel the need to tell the family their condolences? Because that is what it feels like to me. I don't know. For me that's weird. Also, some in here seem to conflate indifference with malice. That is not the case. At least not for me. No matter. People be people. Just my two Gil.

[Kolsykol]

To be fair, that makes a bit more sense to me. You derived joy out of something and, in turn, wanting to give back. I'm just wondering for how many people here is that actually the case? Do these people come across an obituary and suddenly feel the need to tell the family their condolences? Because that is what it feels like to me. I don't know. For me that's weird. Also, some in here seem to conflate indifference with malice. That is not the case. At least not for me. No matter. People be people. Just my two Gil.

It doesn't even matter.
Even if you didn't know who he is and what his mom meant to him and how involved she was you can still offer condolences.
Just because you don't care on some deep emotional level doesn't mean that it's disingenuous it's just basic level humanity.

By your logic and with your mindset no one can ever offer condolences unless it's a direct family member or someone you know closely because there will literally always be clout chasers and people who are disingenuous.
And this is just entirely ignoring the entire context of this situation and really makes it fairly obvious to me that a lot of people here don't even know how much he talked about her and how she showed up on stream how a connection was built with her.
Anyone who has watched his streams know how much she meant to him and the presence she had.

No one here is conflating indifference with malice, if people were indifferent they wouldn't be commenting altogether.
What is happening in this thread IS malice.

You can feel however you want about it but don't project those feelings unto other people.


Edit: As a side note he did talk about how he read peoples well-wishes to her and that it did make her feel better.
She did pay a lot of attention and it did matter to her.

[LittleImp]

No, we simply wouldn't have known about it...
Some of you are really hung up on the popularity thing, I am sure there are people who are only paying attention because it's someone popular and they want to jump in.
I mentioned this in regards to Miura too.

That doesn't mean that everyone is being insincere.
His mom was also a more public part of his life and streams than most Streamers parents are.
And the situation is also why he had to take a break from streaming FFXIV so even just ignoring the other reasons I've given as to why it's relevant here that makes it relevant too.

Regardless you've made your point and so have others, at this point I am going to start reporting people and I'd urge others to do the same when people are only here to start problems.
Normally I wouldn't and I do have a lot of problems with the moderation on this forum, but I think that most people will understand why it's especially bad and insensitive in a thread like this.
I am just really disappointed and you've won I guess, because you made me regret even having started the thread.
I've been following the situation and felt very strongly about it and I know that others did too, my intent was only to spread awareness all of this negativity and hate is totally unwarranted.
And it just makes me hope that he never reads this thread...

Nekaru is very unwell. I'd honestly cut your losses and stop responding to them entirely, as upsetting as what they're saying might be. They have so little self-awareness that they don't even realize that the points they're trying to make would only sound reasonable to someone else with the same sociopathic tendencies. I think they're legitimately incapable of emotionally grasping why people care about things like this, and have trouble understanding that not everyone is like they are.

It's normal to feel grief when something tragic happens to someone or something you care about, and it's nice to be able to share that grief with others. Thank you for making this thread, the comfort it's provided outweighs the few gross people in it.

[Payadopa]

people like you should get perma ban from this forum .

Opposing opinions should be allowed to exist next to each other (yes, even on these forums). A heated discussion, sure. But you're basically asking for censorship. That is a very slippery slope. And who even are 'people like you'? People with different morals? Saying something like that in the heat if the moment, it happens. But when you think about it for a second, then that opens a whole different can of worms.

[Payadopa]

What is happening in this thread IS malice.

You can feel however you want about it but don't project those feelings unto other people.

Okay, I find this fascinating, so indulge me. Maybe I misunderstood.
So by virtue of people saying they find it weird is it automatically malice? Like not going with the flow means bad intent? Or did you (what I hope) mean individuals that were openly aggressive? I honestly can't tell.

Also, aren't people here projecting their own personal feeling about the subject as well? Shouldn't that go both ways then?

[CrimsonGunner]

can you focus and remember this thread is to say our condolences for asmongold ,losing his mother so try to keep it simple.
save any opinion about what you think about this or others sympathizing for another thread, show some respect.

[Lihtleita]

can you guys stop being weird for like 10 minutes

[Nishira]

In case you bump into this topic Zack, I’m so sorry for your loss. A loved one dying is one of the worst kind of pains. I hope you feel loved, supported and understood, and have people there for you. Not just now, but later on too. When you feel really lost, maybe try to think of what your mum would want for you. That helped me get through the worst bits, maybe it helps you too.

[Kaoru_Nagisa]

Nekaru is very unwell. I'd honestly cut your losses and stop responding to them entirely, as upsetting as what they're saying might be. They have so little self-awareness that they don't even realize that the points they're trying to make would only sound reasonable to someone else with the same sociopathic tendencies. I think they're legitimately incapable of emotionally grasping why people care about things like this, and have trouble understanding that not everyone is like they are.

It's normal to feel grief when something tragic happens to someone or something you care about, and it's nice to be able to share that grief with others. Thank you for making this thread, the comfort it's provided outweighs the few gross people in it.

Considering they yelled for 3~4 pages in the Tales from DF thread about mentors, then made another post saying how annoyed they were that someone was trying to give their friend advice, and have in the past said some really insensitive or outright gross stuff, I've written them off as either a child or an adult who never grew up.

Do I think some people come in here (and go to in-game vigils and the like) to be 'seen' rather than because they're sincere in their empathy or grief for another person? Of course I do. Many people are like that, and the XIV community has shown itself to be very performative when it comes to stuff like this before. Do I feel the need to come into a thread yelling about it, though, or yell about it in all the vigil posts on reddit or etc? No.

Because the fact of the matter is, for every one person who is simply there to be 'seen' or try to win ~internet clout~ for how 'empathetic' they are, there are 3 people who are there because they feel genuine sympathy and grief for another's loss. For the loss of anyone - be it someone famous like Miura, or a regular player who never really strayed out of their established friend circle.

I saw Zack's twitter update about what happened with his mother, before the tweet he made recently announcing her passing. Despite how collected he tried to appear in that video, I saw the pain and the fear, the love he had for his mom - and I cried for what happened, and I cried reading his tweet about her death. I know what it's like to lose family you care so much for, and every time something happens to my own mother (be it sickness, breaking a bone, doctor appointments, health scares, etc.) I fear how little time I might have left with her. I know how much pain I would be in to lose her; so it breaks my heart to know what sort of pain he must be going through right now. Arguably, he was even closer to his mother than I am my own.

You don't even have to be a frequent watcher or fan of his to understand the sort of pain that kind of loss can leave a person in. Everyone loses someone, every day - but rather than use that as a reason to just forget basic human empathy, think of it as all the more reason to offer condolences and kind words to get people through such a dark time in their life.

I wish him all the best in the coming days, and hope he is able to take all the time he needs to heal from this. I know from experience that it can take years - and even when the pain stops being so raw, it never truly goes away.

[Vahlnir]

Considering they yelled for 3~4 pages in the Tales from DF thread about mentors, then made another post saying how annoyed they were that someone was trying to give their friend advice, and have in the past said some really insensitive or outright gross stuff, I've written them off as either a child or an adult who never grew up.

Do I think some people come in here (and go to in-game vigils and the like) to be 'seen' rather than because they're sincere in their empathy or grief for another person? Of course I do. Many people are like that, and the XIV community has shown itself to be very performative when it comes to stuff like this before. Do I feel the need to come into a thread yelling about it, though, or yell about it in all the vigil posts on reddit or etc? No.

Because the fact of the matter is, for every one person who is simply there to be 'seen' or try to win ~internet clout~ for how 'empathetic' they are, there are 3 people who are there because they feel genuine sympathy and grief for another's loss. For the loss of anyone - be it someone famous like Miura, or a regular player who never really strayed out of their established friend circle.

I saw Zack's twitter update about what happened with his mother, before the tweet he made recently announcing her passing. Despite how collected he tried to appear in that video, I saw the pain and the fear, the love he had for his mom - and I cried for what happened, and I cried reading his tweet about her death. I know what it's like to lose family you care so much for, and every time something happens to my own mother (be it sickness, breaking a bone, doctor appointments, health scares, etc.) I fear how little time I might have left with her. I know how much pain I would be in to lose her; so it breaks my heart to know what sort of pain he must be going through right now. Arguably, he was even closer to his mother than I am my own.

You don't even have to be a frequent watcher or fan of his to understand the sort of pain that sort of loss can leave a person in. I wish him all the best in the coming days, and hope he is able to take all the time he needs to heal from this. I know from experience that it can take years - and even when the pain stops being so raw, it never truly goes away.

Thank you for this post. You understand, and you said some of what I've been trying to say but worlds better.