Changes to Savage Loot Lock System

[Shurrikhan]

As you probably say this alot. You don't pay their sub, if they want BIS by week 2 you are powerless to stop that.

He's... not actually powerless to stop that, no. Anyone is free to offer their voice as to what rates of acquisition they game ought to normalize and allow for, and what incentives there should be to continuing playing for more than a single subscription period per raid tier; even if they are not going to partake in those raids, their experience is still indirectly affected, through the game's revenue.

(Were that revenue proportionately spent where players of various sorts want it spend, this would be a non-issue, but it is not; it's all one pool and the more players we have paying into it, for whatever reasons, the higher chance one has of getting the content they want made to be funded.)

Now, I do think switching to personal loot with full tradability (to people who haven't already gotten their one per week), or changing entirely to a single weekly-acquirable currency type per raid tier, with item costs decreased to compensate for the lost drops, would be preferable in that it'd allow people to run with whomever they want, whenever they want, and I'd accept some small degree of gear inflation in favor of being able to help out friends on my main on occasion without screwing them over, but I don't think we can, by principle, say that gear acquisition rates don't matter. They do. They definitely do.

[Anonicat]

He's... not actually powerless to stop that, no. Anyone is free to offer their voice as to what rates of acquisition they game ought to normalize and allow for, and what incentives there should be to continuing playing for more than a single subscription period per raid tier; even if they are not going to partake in those raids, their experience is still indirectly affected, through the game's revenue.

(Were that revenue proportionately spent where players of various sorts want it spend, this would be a non-issue, but it is not; it's all one pool and the more players we have paying into it, for whatever reasons, the higher chance one has of getting the content they want made to be funded.)

Now, I do think switching to personal loot with full tradability (to people who haven't already gotten their one per week), or changing entirely to a single weekly-acquirable currency type per raid tier, with item costs decreased to compensate for the lost drops, would be preferable in that it'd allow people to run with whomever they want, whenever they want, and I'd accept some small degree of gear inflation in favor of being able to help out friends on my main on occasion without screwing them over, but I don't think we can, by principle, say that gear acquisition rates don't matter. They do. They definitely do.

No let me point this out. If I have 7 friends with 8 characters maxed in total you are powerless to stop us.

Doing my own research the people who want changes to this system do savage. The ones who are against it.. don't really clear savage if at all.

You should not get a say in how something changes if you don't do the content.

Just like you dont get to say how engineering should be done if you arent an engineer.

[Anonicat]

They really don't matter. Cause for as long loot still drops the way it does you can beat the system and gear funnel

[Anya_Synia]

People can buy gear with books. Noone is screwed out of anything because it is still accessible. The reward is set so no one can exploit it with a carry.

[Bobby66]

Imagine caring about how quick people gear up.

[Floortank]

No let me point this out. If I have 7 friends with 8 characters maxed in total you are powerless to stop us.

Doing my own research the people who want changes to this system do savage. The ones who are against it.. don't really clear savage if at all.

Gonna need a citation on this one.

When I cleared E8S only 3% of Balmung had cleared it.

I'm BIS DRG and I think your change idea is terrible.

The game should not reward reorganizing static parties around rotating in and out single party members to get full loot every week, which is what your idea would do.

All those people who want full loot are forced to do PF. I PF'd for a great deal of my gear this tier. If I could play with my friends and get full loot every time, I never would have.

People in PF tend not to have statics. That's why they're in PF. What you're suggesting would in fact kill PF. It's why they won't do it.

You can argue with me and deny it all you want, and the change still won't happen, because it would kill PF.

[Anonicat]

People can buy gear with books. Noone is screwed out of anything because it is still accessible. The reward is set so no one can exploit it with a carry.

People already get carried to loot. Next Argument.

[Anonicat]

Gonna need a citation on this one.

When I cleared E8S only 3% of Balmung had cleared it.

I'm BIS DRG and I think your change idea is terrible.

The game should not reward reorganizing static parties around rotating in and out single party members to get full loot every week, which is what your idea would do.

All those people who want full loot are forced to do PF. I PF'd for a great deal of my gear this tier. If I could play with my friends and get full loot every time, I never would have.

People in PF tend not to have statics. That's why they're in PF. What you're suggesting would in fact kill PF. It's why they won't do it.

You can argue with me and deny it all you want, and the change still won't happen, because it would kill PF.

This is bait.

"The game should not reward reorganizing static parties around rotating in and out single party members to get full loot every week, which is what your idea would do." -- it already does. Checkmate

Anit no one going to be forced to gear funnel loot with the way i suggested. You can already do that with the current system. If you have 8 people in one static, and all have 8 characters each they can get BIS within a week or 2 now. Read up on what split raids are.
The changes i propose would change nothing that can't be done right now in the game. The only thing that would change is the getting rid of the reduction of chests in the game.

It already exists in the game. People can gear funnel it already. What my original post SUGGESTED locking the character out of loot for the week as the system does ALREADY, AND NOT REDUCING THE CHEST count.

And let's be real. The moment Square starts banning people in the game for TOS violations for saying who made a mistake in a savage fight, they will be the ones to kill the party finder.

[SnowVix]

As someone with a main static and who has a static she occasionally subs for, this would be a great change, presuming it retains the individual weekly loot lockout. If my main static has already done our reclears and the other group needs a sub, i don't want to have to dust off an alt character if they're also close to the clear that week.

Perhaps as a compromise, change how many alters the number of chests. Right now it's 1 chest per 4 fresh weekly clears, so maybe drop that to 1 chest per 3. This would give us the ability to have up to 2 who've already cleared for the week without impacting chest count, and up to 5 while still getting 1 chest.

[Raven2014]

Eh you're making a lot of reach with hyperbolic examples. Ever heard the concept "crime of opportunity?" It means because security is so lax it "invites" crime to happen that otherwise will not.

Can you already cheat/exploit the current system? Yes you can. The world first race are not even individuals, they are team. People who take off work to have first week clear and do alt swapping also likely need to set assign good amount of resource for that. You ask what gonna stop you from exploiting if you have 8 alt and 7 friends? Nothing. If you do have 8 raid ready alt then hat off to you, go a head and exploit I wouldn't be mad at you. I've been playing for 8 years and only got my 4th alt to 80 just last week, and I doubt I would ever have more than 2 raid ready at a given time. If you have more, well more power to you I say. But the system ain't there to stop a few groups like your example, it's their to keep the general population in good pace and health. What you're proposing simply gonna make what currently exception with effort become brainless norm. Just like SE don't adjust fight based on how fast the world racers do it, but base on what % they see the player clear overtime.


Also, if you have 8 raid ready alt, what stopping you from reserving a few of them to help your "friends" then. That's exactly why I have 2 raid ready char, one reserve for static and one freelancing. So I doubt this is about your friend, or your "desire" to play with friends. That's simply window dressing for the fact you want the system to become easier to exploit with less effort. Even if you really have friends, then you also just want to have a cake and eat it to. Like many others had said, there is zero thing to keep you from playing with your friends without screwing them over if that's truly is your call.