White-mage is doomed - and why

[Liam_Harper]

It's true, I remember the complaints about WHM being overpowered during early ShB because it actually had decent dps. They never nerfed it and obviously once raid buffs started scaling and optimization happened WHM fell behind. So if they nerfed it, it would be a disaster. The one that got me most was the gloating over SCH being bad and how it "deserved" it because it was really strong in the past. Sometimes we have a really bad habit of turning amongst ourselves, and demanding our class gets buffed and the others don't, which is very counterproductive for improving the role as a whole.

In the end though, it was just random forum complaints and not a general consensus. We have plenty of those today too. Best to not take too much notice.

[Grimoire-M]

It's true, I remember the complaints about WHM being overpowered during early ShB because it actually had decent dps. They never nerfed it and obviously once raid buffs started scaling and optimization happened WHM fell behind. So if they nerfed it, it would be a disaster. The one that got me most was the gloating over SCH being bad and how it "deserved" it because it was really strong in the past. Sometimes we have a really bad habit of turning amongst ourselves, and demanding our class gets buffed and the others don't, which is very counterproductive for improving the role as a whole.

In the end though, it was just random forum complaints and not a general consensus. We have plenty of those today too. Best to not take too much notice.

It did need it relative to AST and WHM. With Sage in the picture I’m worried both will make AST and WHM obsolete for similar reasons. I don’t think WHM has any meaningful advantages, and any SCH has are held by Sage as well.

[Sylvain]

i wrote some code a few weeks back, im just reporting what i found
https://imgur.com/l9oucVe
youre free to proofread the code too (im not putting everything on the pastebin cuz itd be huge lol but the comments say what my custom functions do)
https://pastebin.com/caGiqeZR

im really just reporting what i found from my code on these forums. i agree sage will end up above whm because of its free healing. but i guess whm can be the "selfish pure healer" and sage the "selfish shield healer"

You didn't take into consideration the gain from blood lilies when heal is required. So for instance you could over 3min+2.5s make them use 2 blood lilies and sage waster 6 GCD shielding.

If Sage is still above, even shielding 6 times in 3mins well then yeah.........

[Rosa_Frandlia]

You didn't take into consideration the gain from blood lilies when heal is required. So for instance you could over 3min+2.5s make them use 2 blood lilies and sage waster 6 GCD shielding.

If Sage is still above, even shielding 6 times in 3mins well then yeah.........

And Sage needs the shield to break for Toxicon. I know there are times when Divine Benision never even gets used up, so they can't count on that.

[Liam_Harper]

You didn't take into consideration the gain from blood lilies when heal is required. So for instance you could over 3min+2.5s make them use 2 blood lilies and sage waster 6 GCD shielding.

Lilies are basically WHM's oGCD's when healing is required, since they only have Overheal Plant on a huge cd, Assize and Asylum for aoe oGCD healing and Assize isn't very reliable. In a situation where WHM needed their lilies to heal, AST or Sage could very likely get by on just oGCD's. So you can't really compare them to Sage GCD heals.

Since lilies used for healing are a potency loss (made worse by Glares potency increase) and healing oGCD's are generally free, it doesn't work out in WHM's favor.

[Equitable_Remedy]

Narrator: White Mage is not doomed.

[QooEr]

You didn't take into consideration the gain from blood lilies when heal is required. So for instance you could over 3min+2.5s make them use 2 blood lilies and sage waster 6 GCD shielding.

If Sage is still above, even shielding 6 times in 3mins well then yeah.........

didnt take heals in consideration because healing is variable and i cant just arbitrarily pick a value.

however someone made a healing tradeoff curve for each healer.
https://www.reddit.com/r/ffxivdiscus...rison_for_shb/
you can see how much dps each healer loses depending on how much they would heal

[Shurrikhan]

however someone made a healing tradeoff curve for each healer.
https://www.reddit.com/r/ffxivdiscus...rison_for_shb/
you can see how much dps each healer loses depending on how much they would heal

Job kit complexity / playflow interest aside, all this would look fine (SGE having the most free healing doable before losing damage, but losing damage most sharply after that threshold, etc.) if fights just actually had enough healing needed to regularly see the latter half of those curves.