BLM - mana getting stuck at 0

[Setesh45]

Hi,

I recently picked up BLM, at lvl 57 atm, and I noticed one weird thing.
After using Flare my mana gets to 0, I get 3 stacks of astral fire, I use Transpose, my Astral Fire gets turned into Umbral Ice, everything normal so far, but at times my mana gets stuck at 0, nothing happens. Seems until I get hit my mana is stuck at 0 and I can't cast, once I get hit my mana jumps to full instantly. If I get into a cutscene when this happens (in MSQ for example) Umbral Ice ends and I just stand there with 0 mana, no Astral Fire, no Umbral Ice, unable to cast.

Am I doing something wrong or is BLM bugged?

[VictoriaLuv]

Hi,

I recently picked up BLM, at lvl 57 atm, and I noticed one weird thing.
After using Flare my mana gets to 0, I get 3 stacks of astral fire, I use Transpose, my Astral Fire gets turned into Umbral Ice, everything normal so far, but at times my mana gets stuck at 0, nothing happens. Seems until I get hit my mana is stuck at 0 and I can't cast, once I get hit my mana jumps to full instantly. If I get into a cutscene when this happens (in MSQ for example) Umbral Ice ends and I just stand there with 0 mana, no Astral Fire, no Umbral Ice, unable to cast.

Am I doing something wrong or is BLM bugged?

Its not that your bugged more of internet issue. lanicy issue. with your internet provider. i have lot friends bad internet connects or poor connections with the server. Its actually happening but your lagging behind. a little. but i promise everything is ok. its just poor connection to the server. you can fix this however by increasing the FPS

[Anhra]

Hi,

I recently picked up BLM, at lvl 57 atm, and I noticed one weird thing.
After using Flare my mana gets to 0, I get 3 stacks of astral fire, I use Transpose, my Astral Fire gets turned into Umbral Ice, everything normal so far, but at times my mana gets stuck at 0, nothing happens. Seems until I get hit my mana is stuck at 0 and I can't cast, once I get hit my mana jumps to full instantly. If I get into a cutscene when this happens (in MSQ for example) Umbral Ice ends and I just stand there with 0 mana, no Astral Fire, no Umbral Ice, unable to cast.

Am I doing something wrong or is BLM bugged?

Mana regeneration is disabled during the Astral Fire Phase. If youre switching into Umbral Ice trough Transpose, it usually takes arround 3 Seconds for Mana Regen to kick back in. If that is too slow, you can also use (but not rely on) Manafont and Manawell in order to eliminate that weakness in certain Situations, but that is all there is to it, im afraid.

[OdinelStarrei]

Its not that your bugged more of internet issue. lanicy issue. with your internet provider. i have lot friends bad internet connects or poor connections with the server. Its actually happening but your lagging behind. a little. but i promise everything is ok. its just poor connection to the server. you can fix this however by increasing the FPS

Good god, FFS.

You are AGAIN actively giving out misinformation, so for the sake of the new person just trying to figure what is happening, I will go out of my comfort zone and attempt to explain this in a straightforward fashion.

This has nothing to do with FPS, and it has nothing to do with a person's ISP, or connection to the server. Your internet connection does not affect your FPS, or vice versa, they are two entirely different things that do not, and cannot interact with each other. That doesn't make any sense. It is the nature of FFXIV, and the MP ticks. The server will tick for MP regen every 3 seconds, you don't notice this in Astral Fire because your MP regeneration is disabled, and you don't really notice it too much in Umbral Ice because the MP gained is massive so it doesn't really affect your casts at your current level. When your MP goes to 0, if you transpose right after a server tick, you will sit at 0, in Umbral Ice, until the next server tick happens(~2 seconds if you're unlucky). This is why sometimes you will Transpose and immediately gain the MP required to start casting, because it means you Transposed right before the MP server tick happened. You can test this for yourself by Flaring a dummy, transposing immediately, and setting a 3 second metronome when you gain MP. It's very consistent.

I will attach a video to this comment that should give you a visual demonstration of what is happening on BLM specifically at this timecode, maybe it will make things easier to understand. https://youtu.be/id9aQ9sFptg?t=435

Getting into a cutscene, as far as I remember, will not remove or freeze buffs acquired, so during the cut scene, if you ended a fight with Despair or Flare, you are throwing yourself into Astral Fire, have no MP regen, but the Astral Fire timer will tick down DURING the cutscene, which is why you have nothing going out of it except for a paltry amount of MP, depending on how long you were trapped in there for.

BLM is historically an awful leveling experience for this, and similar reasons. There is jank in the early kits that will be ironed out as you level. In particular, when you get Blizzard IV at 58, you will get Umbral Hearts that will drop the cost of Flares and other Fire moves, keeping you above 0 MP for longer, Aspect Mastery at 72 which will effectively make the cost of casting spells of the opposite element free (ie Umbral Ice > Fire III or Astral Fire > Blizzard III), enabling 0 MP casts after Astral Fire dumping, and Umbral Soul at 76, which will refresh (but not apply) Enochian, grant Umbral Ice stacks, and grant Umbral Hearts, meaning you can keep up Enochian through downtime without the need to use Transpose nearly as often, if ever, so stick with it, it will get much better.

If someone can explain this better, and actually frequently plays BLM, feel free to correct me. Something very similar happens on DRK, so I'm familiar with the nature of MP acquisition and consumption sometimes having unusual interactions.

[Rongway]

I use Transpose, my Astral Fire gets turned into Umbral Ice, everything normal so far, but at times my mana gets stuck at 0, nothing happens. Seems until I get hit my mana is stuck at 0 and I can't cast, once I get hit my mana jumps to full instantly.

When you load into an instance, you begin a 3s tick timer, like a heartbeat. All your MP refreshes happen whenever this 3s tick timer expires. If you transpose just before a tick, you'll get MP back immediately. If you transpose just after a tick, you'll have to wait almost 3s. This 3s tick continues to happen based on the original time you loaded in, and nothing you do can reset it except to disconnect, get unloaded from the instance, reconnect, and get reloaded into the instance.

[Setesh45]

Good god, FFS.

You are AGAIN actively giving out misinformation, so for the sake of the new person just trying to figure what is happening, I will go out of my comfort zone and attempt to explain this in a straightforward fashion.

This has nothing to do with FPS, and it has nothing to do with a person's ISP, or connection to the server. Your internet connection does not affect your FPS, or vice versa, they are two entirely different things that do not, and cannot interact with each other..

Hi, thanks for the answer, but I've been playing since launch, I know how mana, server ticks etc. work. The problem is that I get stuck at 0 mana not for 3 seconds, not for 6 seconds, but indefinitely until I get hit (then it goes from 0 to full instantly). This doesn't happen all the time, only like every other day during my daily MSQ -> the only way I level up the BLM.
However, if I enter a cutscene with 0 mana and Astral Fire on, Astral Fire gets removed during the cutscene, my mana doesn't recharge at al,l I'm at 0, this happens always. Then I just stand there with 0 mana, no Astral Fire, no Umbral Ice, transpose doesn't do anything and again I need to get hit by something to get my mana back. Something definitely feels broken, this has nothing to do with MP ticks or server ticks. I guess I'll report it.

[OdinelStarrei]

Hi, thanks for the answer, but I've been playing since launch, I know how mana, server ticks etc. work. The problem is that I get stuck at 0 mana not for 3 seconds, not for 6 seconds, but indefinitely until I get hit (then it goes from 0 to full instantly). This doesn't happen all the time, only like every other day during my daily MSQ -> the only way I level up the BLM.
However, if I enter a cutscene with 0 mana and Astral Fire on, Astral Fire gets removed during the cutscene, my mana doesn't recharge at al,l I'm at 0, this happens always. Then I just stand there with 0 mana, no Astral Fire, no Umbral Ice, transpose doesn't do anything and again I need to get hit by something to get my mana back. Something definitely feels broken, this has nothing to do with MP ticks or server ticks. I guess I'll report it.

Fascinating, even when tested it myself with cutscenes and New Game+, I never found a way to 0 my MP indefinitely. I'm not too proud to admit that I was wrong, so apologies for wasting your time and going off.

If at all possible, if you are going to submit a bug report, I think video evidence of this would go a long way. If it was something like lag, the entire client would hitch for you, not just your MP, so it might be an oversight on BLM specifically.

If you have something like Nvidia Shadowplay or it's equivalent on Playstation (I think they have an equivalent?) You could just press a hotkey and have it record the last few minutes, and upload that. Might get more eyes on it that way.

[Grimoire-M]

Fascinating, even when tested it myself with cutscenes and New Game+, I never found a way to 0 my MP indefinitely. I'm not too proud to admit that I was wrong, so apologies for wasting your time and going off.

If at all possible, if you are going to submit a bug report, I think video evidence of this would go a long way. If it was something like lag, the entire client would hitch for you, not just your MP, so it might be an oversight on BLM specifically.

If you have something like Nvidia Shadowplay or it's equivalent on Playstation (I think they have an equivalent?) You could just press a hotkey and have it record the last few minutes, and upload that. Might get more eyes on it that way.

I’ve seen that happen on some lag spikes. Despite Victoria’s BS I have had issues on low FPS computers (think 8-12), but cause of that I can confirm those didn’t affect the tick timer, just my walking speed.

[Setesh45]

I’ve seen that happen on some lag spikes. Despite Victoria’s BS I have had issues on low FPS computers (think 8-12), but cause of that I can confirm those didn’t affect the tick timer, just my walking speed.

Yeah, low fps, 15 and below slow parts of the game down, it's weird. But I'm playing on a Ryzen 7 5800x, RTX 3070ti PC.
It's not a connection issue either because I can chat with people, the fight goes on as normal, I'm just stuck at 0 mana.