Updates to the Prohibited Activities in FINAL FANTASY XIV and Account Penalty Policy

[KOPF]

It's a Japanese game policed by Japanese people; How they (or people they've specifically hired) interpret the rules is all there is to it. They need not explain their reasoning as this isn't a court of law or whatever.

Though like you're saying, being more polite is always the way to go.

That is true, that is their right.

But in my opinion, the consumer has a right to criticize those rules as well. For Japan, these rules probably make complete sense, although I am not knowledgeable enough about Japanese culture to confirm that. I am saying that what constitutes a generally agreeable offense will widely differ between cultures, which wouldn't be a problem in a very homogenized datacentre like JP, might give out problems in a datacentre with a very broad sense of cultures like EU. I feel that these corrections that most likely are completely suitable for Japanese culture can also be easier used for malice, which can lead to more work for GMs or ToS being used as a malicious tool for bad actors.

For example, the Nordic and the Mediterranean cultures can be very different, and therefore a lot of misunderstandings may happen between them that can lead to major offense on one side or another. Anecdotally I have been on both sides of those kinds of cultural differences. Thankfully people are usually able to talk things out since people are for the most part well-meaning and understanding when these things occur. Therefore things should work out how they did before. I don't think it is that probable, that people use the CoC as a tool on a larger scale and most likely we'll keep on trucking as is.

Like I said before since I haven't had any reprimands for my behaviour, I most likely won't receive more after these clarifications either. The rules just feel too specific for me for how nuanced the topic can be. I can also be very wrong on how normal these kinds of ToS/CoC are since I am not an expert and I haven't looked at the rules of other games that specifically, so I could be very wrong on how specific the FFXIV CoC is.

[Snorky]

Hm, well, I don't like how you said that. Does that mean you shouldn't have said it? Maybe think before you speak.

There is nothing you can possibly say that someone won't get offended by. We live in such a sensitive world where saying "the sky is a beautiful blue today" will offend someone because it's cloudy for them, or they are colour blind, and how dare you be so insensitive...! If you go off the thought process of "if someone will get offended, don't say it" then well, enjoy not talking. But someone will get offended by that, too, as seen by other threads on this forum.

What is it you take exception with? The rules haven't CHANGED. People asked for examples and they were given. Now people want to over think it. Such is life.

[PlushyprincessMusa]

If you are always careful about what you say, it becomes natural and then it's not stressful at all to "remember" to be nice to people. It's just what you do.

Im going to tell u y that is bs

Ive literally told someone their outfit was cute in a game and they reported me lol for being nice

And onceagain subjective

I am always njce but ppl can and will take harmless things wrong.

You realize in real life people get offende if someone holds a door open for them.

In early 2000s id be on your side with that but today isnt that kind of world

[Krotoan]

Im going to tell u y that is bs

Ive literally told someone their outfit was cute in a game and they reported me lol for being nice

How do you know they reported you?

[Kolaina]

What is it you take exception with? The rules haven't CHANGED. People asked for examples and they were given. Now people want to over think it. Such is life.

I mean “so, such is life” can be taken as very dismissive. Having little to no concern for the persons thoughts or feelings. Brushing a person off is rude. It’s easy to get offended these days. Better watch those eggshells

[Snorky]

Im going to tell u y that is bs

Ive literally told someone their outfit was cute in a game and they reported me lol for being nice

And onceagain subjective

I am always njce but ppl can and will take harmless things wrong.

You realize in real life people get offende if someone holds a door open for them.

In early 2000s id be on your side with that but today isnt that kind of world

How do you know that? Did a GM take you aside and tell you that? Did your account get suspended? I'm curious.

[MaxCarnage]

If you are always careful about what you say, it becomes natural and then it's not stressful at all to "remember" to be nice to people. It's just what you do.

lol again, it's not about being nice. No one is complaining about being "nice". But being blunt is not rude. Being straightforward is not rude. Sticking to facts is not rude. What people are upset about is the over-censoring of speech. I can't say, "we need to do x, make sure to not do y" or "we wiped because X wasn't covered by the person in charge of X". I need to say, "Well, I think it might have been possible that the method we used in this run was not the most efficient course of action. Would it be alright with everyone if we tried [correct method] or would you like to try [failed method] again?" Like, that's so unnatural, robotic, and it doesn't solve anything. If someone doesn't know that they're doing something wrong, saying "can we try this" when only one person wasn't doing it, isn't going to fix anything. Because people choose to be ignorant. They refuse to believe they did something wrong. So if you generalize, it doesn't address the actual issue because it doesn't address the person causing the issue.

No one is supporting being rude. However, I find it utterly amusing that everyone saying, "People just don't wanna be nice. It's not that hard" are always condescending and snarky.

[Iscah]

Im going to tell u y that is bs

Ive literally told someone their outfit was cute in a game and they reported me lol for being nice

Even if that's true, I don't see what that has to do with it not being stressful to be nice.

Maybe someone "looking to be offended" will take offence, but the baseline chance of causing offence (and of a moderator upholding any hypothetical complaint) is still lower.

[Haseno]

On the contrary, I find the idea that peoples' "right" to be rude and abrasive is more valuable than other peoples' right to be treated like a fellow human being is entirely laughable. And every time they try to defend it with "free speech" while lacking the self-awareness to accept that their actions have consequences, it gets funnier.

People have a right to speak freely. They have a right to speak positive, negative, unpopular, and controversial things.

You don't have a right to not be offended.

Free Speech exists moreso for speech that is offensive, rude, and negative.

[Krotoan]

People have a right to speak freely. They have a right to speak positive, negative, unpopular, and controversial things.

You don't have a right to not be offended.

People have every right to say what they like, but are often very unwilling to accept the consequences of doing so.