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  1. #31
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    Cithaerias_pyropina's Avatar
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    Qynden Peltier
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    Cactuar
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    Warrior Lv 100
    65% chance of Astro+Scholar, 25% chance of Astro+Sage and 9% chance of Scholar+Sage for the memes. 1% chance of WHM being anywhere outside of prog. Astro is so disgustingly op why would you ever use WHM over it other than WHM having a significantly lower skill floor and ceiling. And even with how janky and/or boring Scholar is it still has Chain Stratagem. Which seemingly may end up being the only thing holding Scholar together, if it isn't the only thing holding it together already, well that and Sacred Soil. 6.1's job changes are going to be exhilarating to see.

    Quote Originally Posted by Heilstos View Post
    Why nerf 2 Jobs instand of buffing one Job? The Point is like "NERF EVERY HEALER TO MAKE WHITEMAGE GREAT AGAIN!!!"?
    Powercreep.
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  2. #32
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    Novae's Avatar
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    Gridania
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    Novae Ombreloup
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    Faerie
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    White Mage Lv 90
    I'm glad there is no "meta" in PF. It will be the very first who joins the party.
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  3. #33
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    CrimsonGunner's Avatar
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    Mike Arklight
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    Twintania
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    White Mage Lv 92
    any other healer will be at savage other then white mage cause his mana economy will be horrible .
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  4. #34
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    Silver-Strider's Avatar
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    Silver Strider
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    Famfrit
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    White Mage Lv 100
    Meta will most likely remain AST/SCH unless the stat squish makes SCH an absolute slog of a class that can't keep up in heals, in which case SGE might take the spot.

    WHM is currently looking to be in the worst spot it's been in since HW since it's MP economy is now more on par with the other Healers so it can't simply power thru with infinite MP like before so now it has to rely more on the Lily System, resulting in even less DPS from the healer that's whole utility is its damage. Either buff Misery, leave Thin Air alone, or give them some actual raid utility so they aren't a joke because it wasn't funny in HW and the joke has gone on for long enough.
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  5. #35
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    Semirhage's Avatar
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    Nemene Damendar
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    Midgardsormr
    Main Class
    Red Mage Lv 90
    AST/SGE or AST/SCH.

    Astrologian still has their bonkers overpowered bevy of short cooldown, ultra-powerful free oGCDs and an inexplicably cheaper set of otherwise identical GCD heals compared to WHM, plus raid buffs.
    WHM has...Cure 3 and Glare, again, as always, and is only meta for ten minutes when Square isn't looking and has to hotfix that away real quick.
    SCH is boring, but hasn't lost its strengths. Chain Strategem is still there. It's crit, so it'll probably be less scene-stealing early expansion than it is late, so the meta might swap from AST/SGE to AST/SCH around 6.2/6.3.
    SGE looks like SCH but less clunky, so call 'em identical except for Chain getting stronger as the patches progress.
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  6. #36
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    ForteNightshade's Avatar
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    Kurenai Tenshi
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    Cactuar
    Main Class
    Paladin Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by Mortex View Post
    Tanks I think will always be war as main and pld/gnb as a off tank, war alone has insane self sustain and still a good group shield and with gnb or pld you get even more self sustain making it so you never need to heal the main tank.
    WAR will be a strong prog option but unless its self-sustain directly results in more DPS output for the healers, it'll likely fall off. The biggest issue WAR has getting into the meta nowadays is, ironically, IR not being like Delirium. The guaranteed Crit and Direct Hits completely nullify Battle Voice/Litany and Chain. This will only be worse since Litany/Voice now always lineup with IR. If DRG fights its way back into the meta and SCH beats out SGE, WAR won't have any place.

    My guess is GNB/PLD will dominate, with DRK getting some love despite its present meme status. WAR's place is entirely dependent on which comp comes out ahead and if Bloodwhetting can carry it.

    As for the Healers. Despite all the memes, Chain Stratagem will keep SCH alive unless they utterly gut its DPS. I do think SGE has the raw potency to make it competitive but it'll be more like DRK in the current meta: an option but not the preferred pick. AST looks to be a near guaranteed shoe in with how insane some of its options are. WHM, on the other hand, just doesn't seem like it has a chance at all even sniffing the meta scene. Not to say it won't be viable because every job will be. Alas, it just seems to have taken two steps back with a severe nerf to its MP economy and how janky Lilybell is.

    AST/SCH > AST/SGE with a sleeper hit being SCH/SGE
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  7. #37
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    Halfgeeek's Avatar
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    Aya Lovelace
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    Jenova
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    Goldsmith Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by Mansion View Post
    I'm of the mindset that raid buffs are always the way to go for the min-maxing meta, so AST/SCH in theory. SCH's buff being less important in early crit stats, SGE might shine there (also because the Media Tour build makes it quite strong).
    This. Other players like their healers to be their DPS buffer too. As long as there's enough healing power to clear, at the end of the day, its 6 other players vs 2 healers.

    AST + SCH.

    AST is really strong in EW. Best of both worlds with their keeping Neutral Sect frankly, almost not fair for other healers.
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  8. #38
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    Haseno Ve'uriken
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    Gilgamesh
    Main Class
    Scholar Lv 90
    I think it'll be WHM/SCH and AST/SGE.

    WHM will compliment SCH groupwide heals and have the SCHs lack of single target burst healing covered.

    SGE being more DPS Centric greatly gives it benefit with AST and their damage buffs.
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  9. #39
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    Qoo Er
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    Sargatanas
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    Astrologian Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by Silver-Strider View Post
    WHM is currently looking to be in the worst spot it's been in since HW since it's MP economy is now more on par with the other Healers
    its not on par with the other healers, the other healers run circles around whm's mp.
    excluding lucid dreaming:
    ast gets on average 3000 mp every minute because astrodyne is just that insane
    sch gets 2000 mp every minute
    sage gets ~1833 mp per min
    whm gets....... 666 mp per minute on average from assize, plus a single free spell every minute from thin air.


    its really... not looking good for whm
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    Last edited by QooEr; 10-27-2021 at 02:22 PM.

  10. #40
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    Makani Risvertasashi
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    Ultros
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    Conjurer Lv 50
    Quote Originally Posted by Novae View Post
    I'm glad there is no "meta" in PF. It will be the very first who joins the party.
    That is always the upside. No matter how the meta shakes out, any healer will probably be able to get a spot in most parties simply because there's not so many healers out there.

    But... I'd caution against counting on this too much, especially once we get to farm stage - where historically players have been willing to be a bit more choosy when a healer (WHM usually, lol) falls behind.
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