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    rewd's Avatar
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    Tolo Rewd
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    Quote Originally Posted by IllyaPrisma View Post
    For the sake of your argument, I will completely disregard potency (even though Potency as it stands right now puts SGE clearly in the lead)

    SGE's shielding is not inferior to SCH. All of SGE's shielding GCDs can be cast while moving, giving SGE numerous situations where they would be favorable.
    I also don't really understand people like you saying SGE is immobile. Each healer now has tremendous slide cast and movement potential. SGE can also gather Addersting stacks by pre-shielding before pull or during transition.
    SCHs are required to save an energy drain for movement and retain their opportunity cost for Aetherflow. SGE can freely use Addersgall (Allowing for free Kerachole Damage Reduction and Regen without the placement restrictions of Soil)
    Both SCH and SGE have roughly the same range on all healing abilities showcased thus far (several exceptions: Fey Blessing, Seraph, Pneuma, Physis II)
    Most importantly, SGE has Prognosis, a Medica/Helios variant.

    I believe the only real advantage SCH has over the other healers is Expedient and Displaced Healing. While WHM and AST have several decent options for displaced healing, SGE really doesn't have anything in that category, except for Pneuma, which has a very large 25m radius.
    How do potencies put SGE clearly in the lead? Most of its skills share the same potency with SCH (like Addersgall skills) and some of them are slightly more powerful or slightly weaker.

    SGE has weaker shields (you could use Zoe and hope for a crit, but you can't plan around RNG) and while shields being instant is nice, it's also not the huge advantage you think it is, especially considering that shields are supposed to be planned and are something you can cast well in advance.

    SGE is not the most immobile healer (that's still WHM), but it is also not as mobile as SCH. SCH can have 100% DPS uptime thanks to Ruin II and in prog the DPS loss doesn't matter so you don't have to use ED for that. SGE has Toxicon but not every fight has transitions, so sometimes it will be even more clunky to get stacks.
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    Mira Clearweaver
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    Quote Originally Posted by rewd View Post
    SGE has weaker shields (you could use Zoe and hope for a crit, but you can't plan around RNG) and while shields being instant is nice, it's also not the huge advantage you think it is, especially considering that shields are supposed to be planned and are something you can cast well in advance.
    Just wanna point that Zoe works on spells, so in theory at least it's notable especially for buffing Pneuma's healing component up to 800p at 25y range. It's actually pretty insane in addition to the spell being multifunctional at its core.

    At least that's what I'd use Zoe for instead of shielding, considering shielding has been more on niche side of spectrum in term of usage.
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    Justin Satanas
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    I am not toouch of an accom
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    Justin Satanas
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    Ugh... I hit the wrong button on my phone. Please ignore.
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    Grimoire Mogri
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    Alchemist Lv 90
    Being better at shields and mitigation when item level makes them optional means they’re useless edges. Arguing about Sage vs Scholar is like arguing about Eos vs Selene. Giving yourself and your cohealer more free throughput especially at the rate of control and flexibility Physis II, Pneuma, Haima, Panhaima, and Cardia have beats everything the fairy can do combined. Chain, Expedient and Baby Thrill doesn’t make up for that. Sage is going to be the strongest healer we’ve had to date. It’s AST vs SCH for second place, and self aware WHM mains crying in a corner.
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    Mirico Bladetail
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    I think the meta will be: AST/SCH

    My reasoning: Both buff raid damage while the other two don't.

    Factors that might subvert my prediction: People playing what they think is cool and SCH looks boring.
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    Ven Black
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    Black Mage Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by Mirico View Post
    I think the meta will be: AST/SCH

    My reasoning: Both buff raid damage while the other two don't.

    Factors that might subvert my prediction: People playing what they think is cool and SCH looks boring.
    SCH may look boring but SMN is new and spicy. I think a lot of people may level their SCH "first" to get a crack at SMN
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    White Flow
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    Shiva
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    White Mage Lv 90
    Meta:

    Savage Tier: At beginn WHM/SGE later AST/SGE or AST/SCH depends on how the raid design will be.
    My reasoning: No optimatited fight, Gear scaling (Better melds like DH/Crit builds etc), Weaker heals (wich require add CGD Heals). I can't really think how forgiving (like movement) SGE will be but i think more then SCH so i put him in favor here.

    Ultimate: WHM/SGE
    Same as above just that later can be anything.

    4-Man Content: WHM/SGE
    Special Content (Like DRS or Any Content with insane scaling): WHM/SGE
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    Haereidin Doeszwynsyn
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    Brynhildr
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    Sage Lv 90
    My Prediction: AST/SGE

    My Reasoning: Both of these classes have access to almost all of their healing abilities without a DPS cost. There's a clear gap in high-end content where the AST does 30 to 50% more healing than their WHM or SCH counterpart simply due to the fact that it costs the AST nothing. Sage will definitely bring a lot more healing to the table with Addersgall being incentivized rather than discouraged like Aetherflow. Especially with the rumors that healing is going to be required more frequently in Endwalker.

    Additional Reasoning: With the overall damage reduction for healers' damaging spells, the buffs of Divination and Chain Stratagem have a lot to make up for. Dosis does 10.6% more damage than the Broil. Chain Stratagem only accounts for ~10% of the Scholars overall rDPS. It is not safe to assume that the buffing healers will get a spot in the meta. I honestly expect to see the rDPS of the healers more balanced than ever before.

    What could upset my prediction: Stat Squish's effect on Critical Hits. If Crits are even better than before, the rDPS from Chain Stratagem will outweigh the personal DPS of Sage.
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    Hammerhorn Oathsworn
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    Excalibur
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    Gladiator Lv 90
    PLD and War will be the new healing Meta so real healers can dps more!
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