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    Quote Originally Posted by viion View Post
    I feel we will just get into one of those "interweb arguements" that never ends, so opinions be opinions.

    I prefer this method, and sadly will see it gone as i find it much more fun than the cluster fuck that is the "normal strategy".
    You're sad to see an exploit being fixed?

    I remember a time not too long ago when people here were asking for more difficult and dynamic content. Garuda gave us that, yet 95% of the playerbase chooses to abuse an exploit rendering what is actually a very fun and tactical fight into a plain old boring tank and spank encounter. That makes me sad.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MeowyWowie View Post
    You're sad to see an exploit being fixed?

    I remember a time not too long ago when people here were asking for more difficult and dynamic content. Garuda gave us that, yet 95% of the playerbase chooses to abuse an exploit rendering what is actually a very fun and tactical fight into a plain old boring tank and spank encounter. That makes me sad.
    I also find it Contradictory when people say.."WE WANT HARDER CONTENT" but when they release harder content... and people find an exploit that makes x Fight easier.. and SE tries to fix it.. they like.. " SE WHY U CHANGE THIS".

    I love playing the game like the game was made for, Iffy, Moogle, Garuda are all Challenging fights.. that I want to fight them in a "Challenging" way, If someone tells me they found an exploit.. I just take the information.. but I won't use it unless the fight really becomes unbearable. However, if they are fixing an exploit.. then I'm all for that as well! =)
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    Quote Originally Posted by MeowyWowie View Post
    You're sad to see an exploit being fixed?

    I remember a time not too long ago when people here were asking for more difficult and dynamic content. Garuda gave us that, yet 95% of the playerbase chooses to abuse an exploit rendering what is actually a very fun and tactical fight into a plain old boring tank and spank encounter. That makes me sad.
    Too true~.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MeowyWowie View Post
    You're sad to see an exploit being fixed?

    I remember a time not too long ago when people here were asking for more difficult and dynamic content. Garuda gave us that, yet 95% of the playerbase chooses to abuse an exploit rendering what is actually a very fun and tactical fight into a plain old boring tank and spank encounter. That makes me sad.
    And that is exactly it, "95% dont want to do it the legit way", why you think that is? You're missing something very big here =)

    Plus what you see exploitable is not what I see exploitable, this is no different than zerging Kirin in XI.

    It is a Strategy, weather you like to see it like that or not, if a country wants to invade another do they do it in a fair legit way? No, they time everything right, exploit anything they can, and nothing is pretty pictures.

    Sure, it is an exploit, that does not mean it is not a strategy, even a "legit way" you will exploit something, will you exploit wind element and put wind resistance on, exploit its positioning and hide behind it, exploit plume aoe by standing far away, yada yada, everything to anti something is exploiting its weakness end of day.

    As far harder fights, either you're listening to some loud people who dont speak for the majority or you're confusing this "tough fight" with something we asked for, the legit way is not really tough, its a matter of just surviving and standing in the right place in at the right time. Just like Ifrit and Chimera with "safe spots".

    Quote Originally Posted by ChickNorris View Post
    Yeah, nothing changes like how The Dreamers quests are required to complete my tracker even though they are not availble. They stare me in the eye everytime I update my pad...and it NEVER CHANGES..
    Click the that says Add Quest to Ignore List, :/.
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    Quote Originally Posted by viion View Post
    And that is exactly it, "95% dont want to do it the legit way", why you think that is? You're missing something very big here =).
    Then 95% of the playerbase will always choose loot over challenge because they're lazy. It hadn't even been a week and people were complaining because they wanted free loot instead of something they had to work at. If most of the community can't handle a week or more of learning to beat new content then what they really need is separate baby content just for them to keep them occupied. Don't shit up what's supposed to be the hardest encounter in the game because of some people's overinflated sense of loot entitlement. Everyone should realize from what happened with Ifrit and Moogle that this will be made easier eventually. If you really need to beat new content right away, you should stop complaining about challenge and embrace it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Raikki View Post
    Then 95% of the playerbase will always choose loot over challenge because they're lazy. It hadn't even been a week and people were complaining because they wanted free loot instead of something they had to work at. If most of the community can't handle a week or more of learning to beat new content then what they really need is separate baby content just for them to keep them occupied. Don't shit up what's supposed to be the hardest encounter in the game because of some people's overinflated sense of loot entitlement. Everyone should realize from what happened with Ifrit and Moogle that this will be made easier eventually. If you really need to beat new content right away, you should stop complaining about challenge and embrace it.
    I get your point and I kind of agree with you, but "Loot" is not the goal.

    Think about it, you can die easily doing it and you have to wait 15 minutes even on a loss, and the strategy only shaves off a few minutes. The amount of losses you can get just ups the amount of loss chances at weapon.

    If you did it legit, you could pretty much 100% guarantee a win, and you only need to do it 140 times to be 7/7, which is going to happen very fast weather you use this exploit or not. The legit videos are all under 10 minutes kill time.

    It is just, an easy strategy once you meet the strict requirements. Its a "safe spot" strategy, like Ifrit.

    A lot of people know how to do it legit, my entire LS did it legit before this came about, this is just more preferred because the legit way isnt harder, it isnt more challenging, it isnt even more fun and it is kind of a drag+cluster fuck XD so they prefer to do it like this.

    It is kind of more fun for some, I find it more fun this way! XD
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    Quote Originally Posted by viion View Post
    The legit way isnt harder, it isnt more challenging, it isnt even more fun and it is kind of a drag+cluster fuck XD so they prefer to do it like this.
    We both know that's not true. Countless LS's can't beat the fight legit and are farming it via BLM burn.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Raikki View Post
    We both know that's not true. Countless LS's can't beat the fight legit and are farming it via BLM burn.
    wait, BLM burning isn't legit? that's how I do ifrit and moogle, because fuck if I'm going to struggle when I need to beat it like 90 times.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Majidah View Post
    wait, BLM burning isn't legit? that's how I do ifrit and moogle, because fuck if I'm going to struggle when I need to beat it like 90 times.
    BLM burning Ifrit and Moogle doesn't skip all the fight mechanics. BLM burning will be "legit" once Garuda is patched.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Raikki View Post
    We both know that's not true. Countless LS's can't beat the fight legit and are farming it via BLM burn.
    I dont know its true, I have seen people kill it legit, there were plenty of Garuda Kills before the BLM spree happened, plenty of videos as well. You have no proof they cant do it legit, just like i have no proof they can, thus its moot.


    Quote Originally Posted by Raikki View Post
    BLM burning Ifrit and Moogle doesn't skip all the fight mechanics. BLM burning will be "legit" once Garuda is patched.
    I skip avoiding plumes legitimately by standing in a spot i know they never spawn, skipping that game design XD
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