Are some jobs 'too feminine' in aesthetics?

[MirielleLavandre]

I had a conversation with a friend earlier who was complaining about White Mage in Endwalker because they believe the AF is too 'dress-like' again, and that many of the animations are 'too feminine' for him - such as the huge lily for Holy 3 and the (in my opinion very cute) heart-shaped lilybell for the Lilybell level 90 skill.

This got me thinking, do people think some jobs (perhaps WHM and DNC) lean more towards certain genders as far as animations/AF gear/etc.? Not wanting to start any arguments about genders or who can wear what, etc. This is merely wondering out of curiosity from a game aesthetics standpoint ^^ I would actually tend to agree with my friend, in that I find WHM to be slightly leaning towards a traditionally feminine aesthetic.

[Novak_04]

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[Recon1o6]

Unfortunately so

Casters and Healers have far too many frilly dresses, robes, coats etc. Where's the damn armour aesthetics SE? You couldn't even leave judge drace's armour in the law's orders set alone, no you just had to make the cape into another fucking skirt.

As for animations, most of the jobs are either overly masculine or feminine, or they are lifted straight from older ff games.

some jobs do nail it however like dragoon.

[Saimeren]

Unfortunately so

Casters and Healers have far too many frilly dresses, robes, coats etc. Where's the damn armour aesthetics SE? You couldn't even leave judge drace's armour in the law's orders set alone, no you just had to make the cape into another fucking skirt.

As for animations, most of the jobs are either overly masculine or feminine, or they are lifted straight from older ff games.

some jobs do nail it however like dragoon.

Go watch "big blue dress" by Cranius. It's on YouTube. It's a wow machinema (spelling) about an awesome fire mage that's upset about having to wear a dress.

[Endariel]

Af gear? Yep, definitely. Whm, ast, blm(except sb) were clearly designed for females with a male protag as an afterthought.
Quite frankly, most of the healers attire look whack on males too.

[Lauront]

Af gear? Yep, definitely. Whm, ast, blm(except sb) were clearly designed for females with a male protag as an afterthought.
Quite frankly, most of the healers attire look whack on males too.

Regarding BLM, the only set I can think of where you can make that argument is the Goetia set, and even then, it's not clear-cut - nowhere near as bad as healer sets or SMN. ARR AF is very much not feminine and is even showcased by a male character, and the rest have distinctive male/female versions so as to render the argument moot. Male versions tend towards conventional robe designs (or coats for ARR), whereas the trend with female ones has to been to accentuate parts of the female body. The worst you can say of them is that they're not the most imaginative robes. There are often much better role sets - e.g. this expansion has had the Deepshadow, Shadowless (not quite Ascian but similar enough), Yorha-53, Augmented Law's Order and Cryptlurker sets (although I like the healer one better) which all overshadow the AF.

[CaptainLagbeard]

Well, I haven't seen the male version of the EW WHM set and google isn't bringing anything up.

They have taken some liberties with differences in male and female versions of outfits in the past... Dragoon as a prime example... So it might be a more conventional robe for the guys.