DRK vs Other tanks

[Halfgeeek]

While I like the idea of living dead, it really does need a change so all healers can deal with it just fine, why not just make it esuna-able instead? Still need a heal or 2 to bring the Drk up from 1hp, but the overall effect being removed by esuna would even things out for healers.

This so much.

Esuna needs to be more useful overall for healers, and DRK's Living Dead being a raw healing test, makes some healers worse at dealing with it (SCH)..

[ArthurATDayne]

And something else that PLD, WAR & even GNB have in common on top of those awesome Level 82 Upgrades to their 25s CD Mitigation... They All have better Self Healing Sustain skills they can use vs Dark Knight's fluff junk Abyssal Drain skill.

We know WAR & PLD are Comeback Kings when things go south quickly or in open world Bozja, but GNB looks like it's going to have way more longevity vs DRK with Heart of Corundum and also...

If it was a choice between DRK's fluff junk Abyssal Drain/1,2,3 combo vs GNB's Aurora Heal Over Time (Endwalker 2 charges!) I'd take Aurora AND the 1,2 combo spam for Healing :P

As an aside, I didn't take GNB as seriously before because I'm not a fan of Heart of Stone (I thought it was lackluster for a 25s mitigation cooldown) and wasted too much time on DRK because Big Greatswords, but these Endwalker changes are just so damn good to pass up.

I really believe those online rumors of SquareEnix purposely making DRK shittier to get more players to play the other 3 Tank Jobs might be true LMAO. Now people can't make excuses going "Well GNB is kinda screwed after blowing their personal mitigation like DRK so it's fair design".

[Yhisa]

Just stop

Ur comparing a 20k shield over % mitigation....

If a tank buster hit a tank for 20k

The dark knight TBN pops and gets a free flood proc

Now for the other tanks they have a % mitigation, if they get hit for 20k with bloodwhetting they prevented 3k damage

TBN >>>> bloodwhetting in this situation


U all forget NO ONE KNOWS how hard the the new tank busters will hit for

With the above hit for 20k tank buster Vs 20k tbn...... For the other tanks to get the "same" value those tanks need to be hit for 100k to mitigate 20k damage

(Not accounting the healings on them btw so it be slightly less, but no one knows how much the healing is at this current time)

[Halfgeeek]

Just stop

Ur comparing a 20k shield over % mitigation....

If a tank buster hit a tank for 20k

The dark knight TBN pops and gets a free flood proc

Now for the other tanks they have a % mitigation, if they get hit for 20k with bloodwhetting they prevented 3k damage

TBN >>>> bloodwhetting in this situation


U all forget NO ONE KNOWS how hard the the new tank busters will hit for

With the above hit for 20k tank buster Vs 20k tbn...... For the other tanks to get the "same" value those tanks need to be hit for 100k to mitigate 20k damage

(Not accounting the healings on them btw so it be slightly less, but no one knows how much the healing is at this current time)

20K is not a tank buster for >80 content.

A tank buster is be designed to threaten a tank that has no DR cooldowns, as such it would have to hit way harder than that.

Give we've seen tanks around 65K hp, perhaps 80K HP with end-game gear.. TB will hit way harder than 20k.

[Ignimortis]

U all forget NO ONE KNOWS how hard the the new tank busters will hit for

With the above hit for 20k tank buster Vs 20k tbn...... For the other tanks to get the "same" value those tanks need to be hit for 100k to mitigate 20k damage

Except since tank HP is gonna be around 80k, any real tankbuster will hit for at least 60k to be remotely threatening. That's a normal-level tankbuster, not a savage-level one. The savage TB will hit for 100k and more, because they're designed around you using mitigation to survive. So a 20k shield is gonna outright lose to anything that gives ~18% DR or more in savage.

The dark knight TBN pops and gets a free flood proc

Which will keep it DPS neutral, since you spend 3k MP whether you use EoS or TBN. You know, all the other tanks get their defensive CDs at no cost to their offense by default.

[Yhisa]

I will agree the dark job is boring, once Ur front load is spend and the downtime is soooo mindless and feel like Ur falling asleep until u can unload again

But everyone is comparing "tooltip" numbers without actually knowing "ANY" of the new bosses or raid tier or even what the new tank busters will even do

For this everyone will legit have to wait until the first raid tier to come out to find out which tank is better

And I will pmsl if dark comes out on top because of TBN

[Yhisa]

For example

No one knows the actual "healing" potency just because it says 400 doesnt mean it's going to heal a lot, and the scaling number might be different on tanks in general in endwalker when it comes to self healing

All we know is tanks will have around 80k hp which is a 20k hp shield for the dark knight , also u can throw oblation on urself aswell so it's 20k hp shield + 10% damage reduction if u use this combo which just bumped up the dark knight shield to be even stronger....which have 2 charges btw

[Danelo]

Just stop

Ur comparing a 20k shield over % mitigation....

If a tank buster hit a tank for 20k

The dark knight TBN pops and gets a free flood proc

Now for the other tanks they have a % mitigation, if they get hit for 20k with bloodwhetting they prevented 3k damage

TBN >>>> bloodwhetting in this situation


U all forget NO ONE KNOWS how hard the the new tank busters will hit for

With the above hit for 20k tank buster Vs 20k tbn...... For the other tanks to get the "same" value those tanks need to be hit for 100k to mitigate 20k damage

(Not accounting the healings on them btw so it be slightly less, but no one knows how much the healing is at this current time)

I stopped reading at “free flood proc”…. Getting the dark arts proc makes it DPS neutral at best. By comparison in ew the other tanks will benefit from their tbn-like abilities regardless of whether it’s used to it’s fullest potential and will also be not steal a DPS tool for a defensive cd…. They are better in almost everyway. TBN was a bandaid for how crappy LD is but now that war and gnb got theirs buffed plus these new tbn like abilities DRK is, comparatively, worse. And these jobs are not in a vacuum so the comparison matters.

I’m just glad all this came out before I finished the last step on the relic for DRK… pass.