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    Player
    Packetdancer's Avatar
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    Khit Amariyo
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    Leviathan
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    Sage Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by Deveryn View Post
    Trust is cool, but going back to add on up to 60 some dungeons seems a waste of resources, unless this somehow involves refining squadrons in the process and the expansion of Grand Company activities. That's who you would have in a lot of those older dungeons anyway, as other characters were off doing other things. I can't see them going all the way back on Trusts because a lot of the starter dungeons are really easy and just better done with people.
    Honestly, the biggest reason I can see for expanding Trust content back into previous expansions -- aside from the aforementioned "running a dungeon at least once with your NPC companions makes it feel less like they abandon you at every battle" narrative aspect -- is that leveling DPS in dungeons via Trust is probably, in some cases, still faster even with the slow speed of Trusts than waiting in DPS queues is. Having just finished leveling my last jobs to 80, boy did I have some lengthy queue times on those last few DPS jobs. If I were going through stuff for the first time as a DPS, and so couldn't have taken the option of Heaven-on-High as a level-grind method through the Stormblood level range, I can see how I'd love being able to unblock MSQ progression when I hit a dungeon and would otherwise need to wait in a DPS queue.
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    The healer main's struggle for pants is both real, and unending. Be strong, sister. #GiveUsMorePants2k20 #HealersNotRevealers #RandomOtherSleepDeprivedHashtagsHere
    I aim to make my posts engaging and entertaining, even when you might not agree with me. And failing that, I'll just be very, VERY wordy.

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    Sebazy Spiritwalker
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    Ragnarok
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    White Mage Lv 90
    Squadrons were comically good during the barrage spam days. Trusts just feel unbearably slow by comparison and still have the same peeve with Tanks not AoEing well.
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    ~ WHM / badSCH / Snob ~ http://eu.finalfantasyxiv.com/lodestone/character/871132/ ~

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    Player Rinhi's Avatar
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    Rinh Neftereh
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    Excalibur
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    Monk Lv 90
    why rogues when you can go double archer?
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    Arthur-at Dayne
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    Excalibur
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    Dark Knight Lv 90
    I especially love the Trust System for the Immediate On-Demand Dungeon at whatever specified level range to refresh or practice rotations/cooldowns and dungeon mechanics after leaving FFXIV for a while and coming back or not playing a certain job or role for a while.

    I'd love for it to include ALL previous dungeons in the Trust System so all Level Ranges are covered.

    Target Dummies, while providing something to hit, do not simulate actual combat conditions under stress. While in Trust Dungeons you are taking hits, job mechanics that require taking hits are triggered, you have to dodge AOE, you have to dodge Line attacks, you have to run to this spot, or that, stack up, heal, mitigate, etc all happening in real time and while it is leisurely after a fight going from one mob pack to the next, in the actual combat you get repeated opportunities to fine tune and practice.
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    Last edited by ArthurATDayne; 10-22-2021 at 09:24 AM.

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    Hausti's Avatar
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    Io Hausti
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    Balmung
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    Warrior Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by Xaruko_Nexume View Post
    Hello, just hit Shadowbringers yesterday and did my first trust.

    Oh, my, god. This is the best feature I've ever tried in a game. I get to run content with npc's that I have more connection with that xArthas lalaX from whatever server that I will never see again and I can run the content at my own pace. Actually check treasure chests without feeling rushed and learn the mechanics at my own pace. It's amazing.

    I know squads are a thing but trusts seem so much better. Please retroactively apply this feature to previous content. Thank you.
    I feel like expanding the trust system into older content is a waste of recources.
    And to me running dungeons with npcs feels like a solo game. No offense here but please remember this is an mmo.
    Also about that:
    Quote Originally Posted by Xaruko_Nexume View Post
    I get to run content with npc's that I have more connection with that xArthas lalaX from whatever server that I will never see again
    I'm no lore expert but you hardly know the scions at the beginning of the game. So aleast for early dungeons there is also no connection to your trusts.
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    Poporito_Popoto's Avatar
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    Calamity J'aina
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    Rafflesia
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    Scholar Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by Hausti View Post
    I feel like expanding the trust system into older content is a waste of recources.
    And to me running dungeons with npcs feels like a solo game. No offense here but please remember this is an mmo.
    Also about that:
    No offense here but please remember mmo doesn't mean social interaction.
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    Io Hausti
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    Warrior Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by Poporito_Popoto View Post
    No offense here but please remember mmo doesn't mean social interaction.
    That is true. It's just a bonus.
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    Puremallace's Avatar
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    Pure Mallace
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    Siren
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    Paladin Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by Xaruko_Nexume View Post
    Hello, just hit Shadowbringers yesterday and did my first trust.

    Oh, my, god. This is the best feature I've ever tried in a game. I get to run content with npc's that I have more connection with that xArthas lalaX from whatever server that I will never see again and I can run the content at my own pace. Actually check treasure chests without feeling rushed and learn the mechanics at my own pace. It's amazing.

    I know squads are a thing but trusts seem so much better. Please retroactively apply this feature to previous content. Thank you.
    ARR already has this through the rank systems in Free Companies. Just get high enough and then you get access to a little room where you train recruits and send them on little missions and at like lvl25 they open the ability to do dungeons with the NPC's. In 6.0 I am pretty sure they already said they were expanding this to Stormblood content.
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    Klee Zunners
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    Midgardsormr
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    Monk Lv 88
    I want Yda or Lyse for Trusts...
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    Voidedge_Ragna's Avatar
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    Character
    Edge Void
    World
    Ragnarok
    Main Class
    Warrior Lv 90
    Players often forgot that trusts have no AI, its not a smart system, its a fully written script on how a npc will react at any given moment.
    This is why certain events will always play out the same way. The npc does not see the aoe on the floor but the script for the aoe is connected to the npc avoiding it.

    Squadron is a "cover all" solution, its a general written script that may or may not work for the content you do.

    So by asking for trusts for all old content you dont ask them to copy a script but to write a script for each dungeon which can be a big task.
    Trusts are more akin to a solo duty that was fully planed out before you even enter, and you simply play your role.

    keep in mind trusts are not "smart" they just are told what to do what happens before it does.
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