Does FF14 have a button bloat problem?

[ArthurATDayne]

There is some bloat with buttons, mostly in the form of things that really don't need to be a separate button.

To go over some...

PLD, Confiteor, only usable while under Requiescat. It could easily replace Requiescat on the action bars while it's usable rather than needing it's own separate button.

SCH, Consolation, only usable while Seraph is out so it doesn't really need it's separate button and could just replace the Summon Seraph skill while she's out and about.

DRG, Mirage Dive, needs using (High) Jump first.

NIN, Dream within a Dream and Assassinate.

SAM, Third Eye and Merciful Eyes.

BRD, Wanderer's Minuet and Perfect Pitch.

For the longest time I was having a lot of trouble figuring out where to put Confiteor on my Hotbars so that I could easily use it while still maintaining some coherent layout that makes sense... I ended up getting a Redragon M908 12 side button MMO mouse with an Extra Button next to the Left Mouse Click just for Requiescat and later got a Logitech G600 and assigned that to the mouse wheel side click in the end because it was too annoying trying to assign the whole combo sequence to just keyboard buttons.

Requiescat, Holy Spirit, Holy Circle, Confiteor That's a 4 Button Segment I wanted to keep together only usable every 1 minute.

I could've assigned Confiteor to the Third Mouse Click button or Wheel Side Click but then order wouldn't make sense from my perspective.

Yeah... I take my button layouts and segments seriously. If Requiescat & Confiteor were just 1 Damn Button then the Combo Sequence would only require 3 buttons on Hotbar and easier to use with those 12 Side Button MMO Mouses because a lot of them are in rows of 3 buttons: 3/3/3/3

[Shurrikhan]

Yeah... I take my button layouts and segments seriously. If Requiescat & Confiteor were just 1 Damn Button then the Combo Sequence would only require 3 buttons on Hotbar and easier to use with those 12 Side Button MMO Mouses because a lot of them are in rows of 3 buttons: 3/3/3/3

The issue there becomes packet loss, which has seemed an oddly frequent issue in playing XIV. To wholly reliably have an oGCD go off, many of us need to hit that command more than once, and keys combined in that fashion, especially without an internal cooldown between them, can cause a second hit of the command (if after the skill has already actuated) to queue a Confiteor, which would in turn consume (early) your whole Requiescat phase...

I've argued for that combination and an internal cooldown before only to have one particular fight that may require an immediate use of Confiteor shut that idea down -- nevermind that with just a bare modicum of Skill Speed and either a trait added to Paladin and Dark Knight to duplicate their Skill Speed to Spell Speed or a consolidation of SpS and SkS outright would more than remedy that issue.

[ArthurATDayne]

The issue there becomes packet loss, which has seemed an oddly frequent issue in playing XIV. To wholly reliably have an oGCD go off, many of us need to hit that command more than once, and keys combined in that fashion, especially without an internal cooldown between them, can cause a second hit of the command (if after the skill has already actuated) to queue a Confiteor, which would in turn consume (early) your whole Requiescat phase...

I've argued for that combination and an internal cooldown before only to have one particular fight that may require an immediate use of Confiteor shut that idea down -- nevermind that with just a bare modicum of Skill Speed and either a trait added to Paladin and Dark Knight to duplicate their Skill Speed to Spell Speed or a consolidation of SpS and SkS outright would more than remedy that issue.

With Requiescat becoming 5 Stacks in Endwalker I wonder if something like Requiescat becomes Confiteor on last Stack and can only be used on that. But with Endwalker plan to make Confiteor transform into the 3 Blade Combo at 90 I suppose it's OK to leave it as is unless some internal cooldown or mechanic prevents unintended bugs- it's an OK compromise.

I did have the foresight to assign Confiteor to its own mouse side button because I end up button mashing that in the end anyway so it looks like it should work fine for Endwalker. Especially if a button is used for the 3 Hit Blades Combo... it'll still take at least 4 Buttons for the whole Combo Segment, back to square one.