Does FF14 have a button bloat problem?

[TaleraRistain]

Yes and it could easily be solved by traits.

BLM: Why does Blizz 2 and Freeze both exist? Just have B2 trait into Freeze. Same with Fire 2 and Flare. Once you get flare, there's no reason to ever use F2 again.

Almost every job has some example of this.

I like the trait idea. I also wish we could have some way to swap from single target to AoE but use the same buttons instead of another set. Though it would have to keep in mind instances where there are more AoE than single target. Just something where I could streamline that transition a bit more would be nice. I love Ninja, for instance, but I feel like you have to be an octopus to play it. And I love DRG but it has some button bloat going on, too.

[Deceptus]

I like the trait idea. I also wish we could have some way to swap from single target to AoE but use the same buttons instead of another set. Though it would have to keep in mind instances where there are more AoE than single target. Just something where I could streamline that transition a bit more would be nice. I love Ninja, for instance, but I feel like you have to be an octopus to play it. And I love DRG but it has some button bloat going on, too.

All melee jobs could very easily take the pvp combo system and implement it, every single one. Even Monk if Demolish and snap punch had their positionals changed. Demolish should be part of the flank buffing cycle (Dragon > Twin Snakes > Demolish) followed by 2 cycles of Rear attack cycle (Bootshine > True Strike > Snap Punch). It literally lines up perfectly.

[_Pigzig]

I like the trait idea. I also wish we could have some way to swap from single target to AoE but use the same buttons instead of another set. Though it would have to keep in mind instances where there are more AoE than single target. Just something where I could streamline that transition a bit more would be nice. I love Ninja, for instance, but I feel like you have to be an octopus to play it. And I love DRG but it has some button bloat going on, too.

DRG feels like one of the better ones to me, almost got all my skills now at 77. Only thing I don't like about current DRG is positional skills.

If we have to prune I'd rather it be cooldowns instead. Automating combos just feels like another ez mode win for casuals. You can beat the whole game as a casual with AoE rotation, 1-2-3 combo and a few cooldowns. Do we need to go further and reduce it to 1-1-1 for single target and 2-2-2 for aoe?

[Shironeko_Narunyan]

I like the combo system in PVP. If you have a 1-2-3 combo, the same button switches from 1 to 2 to 3.
There's a plugin that does this thing, but I think I shouldn't have to install it to fit all my stuff on my bars.

Samurai is a nightmare in that regard, and while they removed 2 buttons for EW, they also added a bunch of new ones, so there's no real change.

[Asari5]

i guess they could do it pvp like.... all skills of a combo on one button. but then... the next step would be to merge all skills of that one combo into one skill which does the same dmg as the vombo on average. i mean why not? you're pushing the same button anyway. more skills will just make it more complicated. we have to streamline everything

and the aoe's? just give us only one aoe with more dmg... on every job.

[Nihility]

have a bit of nerve damage so i can't be as twitchy as i'd like

perfect for me would be 10 or less heavy use buttons, 10 or less light/medium use buttons, and some sidebar stuff that's not really for constant active use
Can only really play warrior for the top tier content atm but new summoner looks like 'fell cleave: the class' so quite excited for that

[Derio]

As a controller player the only jobs that have severe button bloat are PLD and AST.

[Deceptus]

As a controller player the only jobs that have severe button bloat are PLD and AST.

Ninja is pretty bad as well.

[wereotter]

Dragoon, I would say, has too many buttons, but the others are fine.

One thing that on controller helped me on tank and DPS jobs was to set up one hot bar for single target rotation and skills and a second hotbar for AOE. Like there's no reason I need Arm of the Destroyer if I'm facing a single boss, and vice verse for Dragon Kick. So you can keep things a lot simpler if you split up the skills in that way.

[Jirah]

So far it’s only a issue that will have to be addressed sooner or later.

Ranged dont have this issue at all, considering the low amount of skills they received independently. All of DNC new skills are locked behind buffs, MCH has 1 skill added ,and BRD only has 1 with others being Shallow upgrade, charges and Burst tied to Apex which isn’t a bad thing. RDM I don’t even think it received more than 2 skills, SMN skill count is crazy low and BLM isn’t bloaty and didn’t get many skills anyways. It’s certainly a Melee issue as SAM is dangerously close to being too much

One Solution probably down the line would be doing the PVP rotation to only those that apply
This can’t be done with diverging rotations like essentially all the melee (RPR pending) and WAR. The only rotations this really effects is those with very very simple rotations or finishers like RDM melee combo, MCH, DNC,PLD,GNB, and DRK. Could also have Refulgent turn from Burst Shot rather than having them as independent skills. Another way to save space is turning traits like Enochain and Blood of the dragon did in EW.