Endwalker GNB Discussion

[Vahlnir]

We'll have to see how things play out, but I think GNB will be just fine. GNB is one of those jobs where it looks like a lot on the surface (mostly because it is) but it's really not so bad when one actually plays it.

[MagiusNecros]

*shrug*
I still disagree, but eh.

Here's a thought: move "Ready To Blast" from Burst Strike to Sonic Break.

I mean I get the issues he has but overall I'm fine with it as is. I do think Sonic Break and Double Down should be oGCD instead of weaponskills tied to GCD if they are on 60s CDs.

When I play Gunbreaker I'm probably just going to save Bloodfest for 6 BS+HV back to back and save Gnashing and Double Down for No Mercy windows.

It will feel more better IMO.

[Ixon]

It would be nice if moves like Sonic Break, Bow Shock, and Double Down did something else on top of what they do/will do. By that I mean those three abilities really only have one real use, to be used during your No Mercy Window, which is a little stale in my opinion. Mind you MOST abilities and skills exist to be used during burst windows, but I like when they add just a little extra flexibility or trait to them. Best examples I can give are like WAR's Inner Chaos and DRK's Shadowbringer that can have a charge held outside of a burst window to be used in at a specific time for 'X' reason that doesn't hurt their DPS too much as they don't have a self buff window like No Mercy. Or PLD's Confiteor spam that is a burst window that allows for ranged insta casting and will end in an AoE DoT. Or WAR's Primal Rend that functions much like Inner Chaos, but is a also a gap closer on the GCD.

Like, what if they made a trait that upgraded Sonic Break to make it a 25y ranged weaponskill akin to an insta cast Holy Spirit? Or made Double Down have increased range from 5y to 10-15y so you can have two GCD's in your NM window for easily moving a boss? Or make Bow Shock a ranged ability like Abyssal Drain? They could even do stuff that would only affect non-raid scenes. Like adding CC to any of them like how NIN's Doton applies Heavy, or how WHM's Holy Stuns.

Not trying to add any new buttons, but I think those three move specifically would feel more impactful if they did more than just damage in No Mercy every 60sec.

[Tahyo]

If the way GNB plays isn't fun for you, play a different job, don't try to ruin it for those of us that like it.

[Duskane]

yeah i have no problem with Sonic break,bow shock and double Down
just becuase they are "No mercy filler" does it make these bad skills

[Ixon]

If the way GNB plays isn't fun for you, play a different job, don't try to ruin it for those of us that like it.

What? You are allowed to like a job and want to make a minor adjustments here or there if you think it's for the better. What kind of gatekeeping mentality is "YOU MUST LIKE JOB 100000% OR NO PLAY" supposed to help?

[Ixon]

yeah i have no problem with Sonic break,bow shock and double Down
just becuase they are "No mercy filler" does it make these bad skills

Nothing I suggested with those three abilities would change how you, or others like you, would use them. They would still be damage in your No Mercy window, and that's it. For others though, it would add an layer of depth that could provide usefulness and flexibility in certain situations. Like how rough Divide is more than just damage, it's a gap closer, or how Burst Strike is more than just damage, it's a weapon skill that doesn't break your Gnashing Fang combo to allow for boss movement or defensive weaving without hurting your DPS.

[ForteNightshade]

If the way GNB plays isn't fun for you, play a different job, don't try to ruin it for those of us that like it.

This mentality always bothers me. They're changing an existing job and some of us are voicing concerns yet our opinion doesn't matter because y'all like the changes? Would you voice a similar sentiment if next expansion they made adjustments you disliked and I simply said "Sucks for you. Play something else"? It's this same nonsense Bards have dealt with throughout Shadowbringers. Veteran players saw all the nuance gutted. That's okay though because new players preferred it, and their opinion matters more.

Nobody is trying to "ruin" GNB. Some of us are concerned about it's weaving issues being more even more cumbersome. It's fine to disagree, but people have their own preferences. Especially towards mechanics that already exist and are being changed.

[Valknut]

If the way GNB plays isn't fun for you, play a different job, don't try to ruin it for those of us that like it.

SMN's all want a word with you.