Missing Elemental Summons

[WlyemR]

The simplest reason lore wise why we will never get a Shiva summon is that we do not dare summon even a copy of her and it get back to Hraesvelgr. He has already made it clear that he was not happy with Ysayle and he trusts us to honor her memory.

[aveyond-dreams]

The simplest reason lore wise why we will never get a Shiva summon is that we do not dare summon even a copy of her and it get back to Hraesvelgr. He has already made it clear that he was not happy with Ysayle and he trusts us to honor her memory.

I quite literally do not care about lore in this regard seeing as how half the playerbase runs around in froggy suits and flying cars. Give us Shiva, Leviathan, Ramuh, Alexander, and all the classic summons whether as glam or unique abilities.

We are long past the point where we should allow lore to restrict people's fun and overall class fantasy.

[Brandedblade]

I quite literally do not care about lore in this regard seeing as how half the playerbase runs around in froggy suits and flying cars. Give us Shiva, Leviathan, Ramuh, Alexander, and all the classic summons whether as glam or unique abilities.

We are long past the point where we should allow lore to restrict people's fun and overall class fantasy.

I wonder if the Twins are noticing the fact we've been summoning their grandpa.....

[MellowMink]

I want what nobody else seems to be asking for: A Good King Moggle Mog XII summon.

[Roda]

The simplest reason lore wise why we will never get a Shiva summon is that we do not dare summon even a copy of her and it get back to Hraesvelgr. He has already made it clear that he was not happy with Ysayle and he trusts us to honor her memory.

I whip out phoenix in trusts with alisae all the time.
And bahamut in Paglth'an.

I have yet to receive any consequences for this.

[Sequora]

The simplest reason lore wise why we will never get a Shiva summon is that we do not dare summon even a copy of her and it get back to Hraesvelgr. He has already made it clear that he was not happy with Ysayle and he trusts us to honor her memory.

I’m not disagreeing with you, but the writers could find a way to make it work.

[Payadopa]

This is the first time since the start of 2.0 that I'm considering to main SMN and that's saying something. I hope we get more in the future but so far SMN looks amazing.

[MercuryD]

The simplest reason lore wise why we will never get a Shiva summon is that we do not dare summon even a copy of her and it get back to Hraesvelgr. He has already made it clear that he was not happy with Ysayle and he trusts us to honor her memory.

This isn't the issue you think it is. What Hraesvelgr was against was Ysayle acting like she was HIS Shiva as she believed that she was her, reincarnated. Shiva the primal, on the other hand, is just a creation of Ysayle's. The primal is no more the original Shiva as Garuda is the original Garuda or King Moggle Mog is Moglin.

[WlyemR]

I whip out phoenix in trusts with alisae all the time.
And bahamut in Paglth'an.

I have yet to receive any consequences for this.

About Phoenix, the twins loved their grandfather a lot. Seeing him as Phoenix, a thrall of Bahamut, was obviously painful. But, seeing him as Phoenix, defender of Eorzea, would be a point of pride for them. I would argue the same of Bahamut as well. Originally, he was a protector of his people against the Allagans, so we honor his memory by using him for a force of good.

This isn't the issue you think it is. What Hraesvelgr was against was Ysayle acting like she was HIS Shiva as she believed that she was her, reincarnated. Shiva the primal, on the other hand, is just a creation of Ysayle's. The primal is no more the original Shiva as Garuda is the original Garuda or King Moggle Mog is Moglin.

That brings up a good point, the only time we have faced Shiva is through body possession. Our perception would always be colored by that experience. So would we summon Ysayle as Shiva, Rynn as Shiva, or some version we make up in our heads? As Summoners, we focus on using primal essence in our summons. But before Shiva, we don't have any evidence of an ice-based primal in story or legend. on the other hand, like I said about Phoenix, we could summon Shiva as a means to honor the memory of Ysayle, still fighting to prtect Hydaelyn.

[MercuryD]

About Phoenix, the twins loved their grandfather a lot. Seeing him as Phoenix, a thrall of Bahamut, was obviously painful. But, seeing him as Phoenix, defender of Eorzea, would be a point of pride for them. I would argue the same of Bahamut as well. Originally, he was a protector of his people against the Allagans, so we honor his memory by using him for a force of good.

I mean, Oda-san outright stated that maybe you shouldn't try summoning Phoenix around the twins or Bahamut around Tiamat or they would be hurt and upset, lore-wise. That it would be cruel to do so knowing the pain they'd feel.