why so much players have a rush mentality

[SturmChurro]

Ah, so if they don't die because of it, it is no longer an issue. That even says that a penalty -may- be possible if it causes a wipe. But as the healer doing it is going to obviously heal the pull, it would only become an issue if the tank refuses to pick up the mobs. So then, would it not be the tank griefing?

Like I said, it's annoying. If you don't like someone doing it, tell them. As you say communication is so important, after all. Running to the GMs because someone rescued you into a group of mobs as a tank, and then proceeded to keep you alive would be quite silly.

I suggest players use the chat function to communicate their intent! Both the tank choosing to not pick up the adds and the healer rescuing the tank into AoEs! Here's the secret... It's both griefing! However, I think one would have a harder time proving the tank was actually griefing by choosing to not pick up the adds they were rescued into, as opposed to a healer who rescued a tank into them. A lot of players don't use AoEs in this game, while that is entirely not the purpose of rescue.

That's hilarious. I am not arguing for myself, I am arguing this on principle, after rolling my eyes while skimming these "discussions". Unfortunately, I am not part of one or the other "side's" hiveminds. I don't get rescued into adds, as I am always ahead of the party, pulling as much as possible, or as much as I believe is possible for my current party. Nor have I EVER reported someone in-game. I should say, I think I may have been rescued back at least a couple times, when I was pulling ahead. Would a healer rescuing a tank away from pulling more be considered griefing, or is that also a good means of "communication"? Either way, even it being done in that case isn't as bad as being pulled into active groups.

[Xirean]

I suggest players using the chat function to communicate their intent! Both the tank choosing to not pick up the adds and the healer rescuing the tank into AoEs! Here's the secret... It's both griefing! However, I think one would have a harder time proving the tank was actually griefing by choosing to not pick up the adds they were rescued into, as opposed to a healer who rescued a tank into them. A lot of players don't use AoEs in this game. That is entirely not the purpose of rescue.

That's hilarious. I am not arguing for myself, I am arguing this on principle, after rolling my eyes while skimming these "discussions". Unfortunately, I am not part of one or the other "sides" hiveminds. I don't get rescued into adds, as I am always ahead of the party, pulling as much as possible, or as much as I believe is possible for my current party. Nor have I EVER reported someone in game. I should say, I think I may have been rescued back at least a couple times, when I was pulling ahead. Would a healer rescuing a tank away from pulling more be considered griefing, or is that also a good means of "communication"? Either way, even it being done in that case isn't as bad as being pulled into active groups.

The only way I'd ever consider a use of rescue being griefing is if you use it to pull someone off an edge or into aoe, essentially to kill them. All other uses are communication. And yes if a healer used rescue on me to pull me away from getting a bigger pack, then I would take that as them saying they want smaller pulls.

[SturmChurro]

The only way I'd ever consider a use of rescue being griefing is if you use it to pull someone off an edge or into aoe, essentially to kill them. All other uses are communication. And yes if a healer used rescue on me to pull me away from getting a bigger pack, then I would take that as them saying they want smaller pulls.

I can respect any user trying to be consistent. Would you then pull one pack at a time since the healer "communicated" what they would prefer? Unfortunately, a tank getting pulled into an active group of adds doesn't have that luxury, and is usually caught entirely by surprise; unwilling or unready.

[Kolaina]

I suggest players use the chat function to communicate their intent!

I guess you missed the entire part where not everyone has proper use of the chat function. While chat is available to everyone, its not feasible for everyone. You try typing on console during combat. See how far you get. Not everyone has or is going to buy a keyboard solely for this game. There are other ways to communicate. Covered all the points. You should be caught up now

[SturmChurro]

I guess you missed the entire part where not everyone has proper use of the chat function. While chat is available to everyone, its not feasible for everyone. You try typing on console during combat. See how far you get. Not everyone has or is going to buy a keyboard solely for this game. There are other ways to communicate. Covered all the points. You should be caught up now

How about before combat then? Or does the healer immediately have to set off sprinting and pulling the tank into adds, before they can even properly attempt to communicate in the first place? This sort of reasoning is just an excuse, in my opinion. Either way, EVEN IF they couldn't chat, rescue being used in this way is not a proper form of communication. It is a skill meant to save players from mechanics, NOT pull people into them.

[Xirean]

I can respect any user trying to be consistent. Would you then pull one pack at a time since the healer "communicated" what they would prefer? Unfortunately, a tank getting pulled into an active group of adds doesn't have that luxury, and is usually caught entirely by surprise; unwilling or unready.

Probably. At that point I'd ask in chat if they want smaller pulls. Either way I've never had a healer do that once so it would be a new scenario. I have however had healers pull me closer to mobs even though I was already running to them. I assumed they did that just to help me move faster. Also you normally can't pull a tank all the way to an active group of mobs.

[Xirean]

How about before combat then? Or does the healer immediately have to set off sprinting and pulling the tank into adds, before they can even properly attempt to communicate in the first place? This sort of reasoning is just an excuse, in my opinion. Either way, EVEN IF they couldn't chat, rescue being used in this way is not a proper form of communication. It is a skill meant to save players from mechanics, NOT pull people into them.

The reason this is dumb is because in most dungeons, people assume big pulls. That's probably the reason this thread is here in the first place, OP noticed a trend. Going fast is seen by many to be the default. Going slow is abnormal. At least be able to recognize that when you que up.

[Kolaina]

The reason this is dumb is because in most dungeons, people assume big pulls. That's probably the reason this thread is here in the first place, OP noticed a trend. Going fast is seen by many to be the default. Going slow is abnormal. At least be able to recognize that when you que up.

Exactly this. Fast has become the default. If anyone should be communicating pace, it should be the person wanting to go slower. The tank who has no confidence, or the healer watching Netflix. The outliers who don’t want to do with the majority has been doing since the first week of this game

[SturmChurro]

Exactly this. Fast has become the default. If anyone should be communicating pace, it should be the person wanting to go slower. The tank who has no confidence, or the healer watching Netflix. The outliers who don’t want to do with the majority has been doing since the first week of this game

Then why exactly would a healer need to not only run ahead of the tank and pull for them (as it's the "default"), but also rescue them into a group of adds? I'd think the healer acting as the tank in this case is communicating their intent well enough, prior to a rescue, and if it was actually default, they wouldn't have to pull them in the first place. The player who would need to communicate that they would like to go slower, never gets the chance to do so, especially if they have these supposed troubles with the chat function. I digress.

[Xirean]

Then why exactly would a healer need to not only run ahead of the tank and pull for them (as it's the "default"), but also rescue them into a group of adds? I'd think the healer acting as the tank in this case is communicating their intent well enough, prior to a rescue, and if it was actually default, they wouldn't have to pull them in the first place. The player who would need to communicate that they would like to go slower, never gets the chance to do so, especially if they have these supposed troubles with the chat function. I digress.

Because the healer doesn't know other wise what the tank in question is doing. Is their gear bad, do they want to go slow, are they trying to figure out what we can handle, are they a bot? Pulling one pack and only one pack can mean a lot of things. So rescuing them further or pulling mobs to them is a fair way to see how to proceed.