why so much players have a rush mentality

[Kolsykol]

I don't really care too much about this.
What I care about is what happens when you wipe.

At least in this game people don't flip out and start insulting each other only to disband when people realize that moving fast isn't possible and/ or that someone is new and doesn't know what to do people are actually quite patient.

[_Pigzig]

people can't even wait in traffic without honking

[Lium]

Didn't read much past the OP so not sure if this has been mentioned yet, but you ever see posts from NINs or ASTs (especially on Reddit where it's more of a meme) complaining about tanks moving all mobs out of their ground AoE?

Yeah, that's because of the rush mentality. Sometimes it's a case of the tank not knowing what it is, but at 80, it's absolutely due to the "GO, GO, GO" mindset.

Don't get me wrong, I love a fast run as much as the next person, but sometimes it can actually hurt the group. Not to mention pre-80, when tanks YOLO pull. Nine times out 10 it's a wipe. I don't care if you're overgeared or not. Healers don't have their whole toolkit before 80. Especially if it's a 50 or 60 dungeon.

[Lexis]

Didn't read much past the OP so not sure if this has been mentioned yet, but you ever see posts from NINs or ASTs (especially on Reddit where it's more of a meme) complaining about tanks moving all mobs out of their ground AoE?

Yeah, that's because of the rush mentality. Sometimes it's a case of the tank not knowing what it is, but at 80, it's absolutely due to the "GO, GO, GO" mindset.

Don't get me wrong, I love a fast run as much as the next person, but sometimes it can actually hurt the group. Not to mention pre-80, when tanks YOLO pull. Nine times out 10 it's a wipe. I don't care if you're overgeared or not. Healers don't have their whole toolkit before 80. Especially if it's a 50 or 60 dungeon.

I have very rarely witnessed a large pull go wrong, regardless of dungeon level. It happens every once in a while, but certainly not enough to raise concerns over it.

As for tanks moving mobs out of NIN's mud pit and various other similar AoEs to pull more, if the DPS drops their AoE the second something is pulled, I'm afraid that's on them. Always wait a moment to see if the tank pulls small or big before unloading. Of course, there's also tanks who just move out of those AoEs because they don't understand what they are or tanks who take off halfway through a pull to get more (I hate that. Either pull big or pull small but make up your dang mind!). I rarely see those, thankfully.

[Myrany]

The more important question is why you feel you're entitled to slowing the whole group's progress on your own?

As someone who is leveling a healer for the first time. Some of these big pulls frankly are too much for me. Not a prayer in Hades of not loosing someone when the tank wall to walls in a dungeonn I am on lvl for and still learning what I am doing. Unfortunately very few tanks take the blame for not paying attention to what I can handle and over pulling. I catch the heat from the tank and everyone else.

It has only happened twice so far but good god they were nasty about it. Once to going OOM from chain pulls and huge damage to the tank and one to too many Bees pulled.

[Lium]

I have very rarely witnessed a large pull go wrong, regardless of dungeon level. It happens every once in a while, but certainly not enough to raise concerns over it.

As for tanks moving mobs out of NIN's mud pit and various other similar AoEs to pull more, if the DPS drops their AoE the second something is pulled, I'm afraid that's on them. Always wait a moment to see if the tank pulls small or big before unloading. Of course, there's also tanks who just move out of those AoEs because they don't understand what they are or tanks who take off halfway through a pull to get more (I hate that. Either pull big or pull small but make up your dang mind!). I rarely see those, thankfully.

Honestly, I see wipes frequently in low level dungeons when the tank starts sprinting the second the barrier drops, and pulls everything. This is not a one time thing. It happens in pugs quite a bit. Healers don’t have all their skills yet, or they are unavailable when synced. They simply can’t keep up with the amount of damage the tank is taking even if the tank is using their defensive CDs. Not to mention the DPS don’t have all their skills either, so large packs of mobs will take longer to burn down:

Again, at 80 I’m all for pulling large and speeding through a dungeon. But at low levels I’d much rather the tank take their time to ensure we don’t wipe, which will actually make the run longer.

[Lexis]

Honestly, I see wipes frequently in low level dungeons when the tank starts sprinting the second the barrier drops, and pulls everything. This is not a one time thing. It happens in pugs quite a bit. Healers don’t have all their skills yet, or they are unavailable when synced. They simply can’t keep up with the amount of damage the tank is taking even if the tank is using their defensive CDs. Not to mention the DPS don’t have all their skills either, so large packs of mobs will take longer to burn down:

Again, at 80 I’m all for pulling large and speeding through a dungeon. But at low levels I’d much rather the tank take their time to ensure we don’t wipe, which will actually make the run longer.

Ironically enough, my very first dungeon as a healer, Sastasha, the tank would run around pulling absolutely everything he could, sometimes 4 packs at a time, with 2 melee DPS that have no AoE at that level. We did have a wipe or two in there because, as you mentioned, at that level I just didn't have the tools to handle that kind of damage. I left that dungeon feeling like the worst healer in the world but thankfully learned quickly this isn't how these dungeons usually go. There is such a thing as going overboard with the whole 'speeeeed' approach, but, and this may be a Data Center thing, these occurrences have been very rare for me.

And speaking of low level dungeons, I've picked up tanking recently, currently 40 WAR, and have been leveling through dungeons because it's fun. I don't do small pulls (but no Wall 2 Wall either), I take off as the last mob from a pull dies and only ever stop if someone's watching a cutscene (I wait for them to be done before pulling). I've yet to die (though there have been some close calls, not gonna lie, but nothing a lil' potion and proper CD usage couldn't fix) and every run has been quick n easy. As long as you don't go overboard and pay attention to your teammate's, you can do some fast runs even in lower level dungeons.

[Kolaina]

Didn't read much past the OP so not sure if this has been mentioned yet, but you ever see posts from NINs or ASTs (especially on Reddit where it's more of a meme) complaining about tanks moving all mobs out of their ground AoE?

Yeah, that's because of the rush mentality. Sometimes it's a case of the tank not knowing what it is, but at 80, it's absolutely due to the "GO, GO, GO" mindset.

What a crock. That’s not caused by a rush mentality. It’s from people having party effects off. It’s from tanks giving poor signals of when they are actually stopping. A lot of tanks wil pause, hit a few times, and decide to move again. In the few hits, it can seem like the tank is making their stand there, so people drop stationary skills. Nope. Tanks on the move again.
Explain to me how it has anything to do with a rush mentality as opposed to a tank just taking too long to make their intentions clear. I’ll wait

[Dyvid]

Respect ,one day you may find your own. If they don't even pretend to respect the tank why will the tank be respectful to them.

Respect goes both ways. Why are you not respectful of the party members time? Why not respect the veteran players who have gotten this down to a science? Did you ever come to the community and ask people what is considered okay? Talk to your party about pulling just two packs, if they say pull more, pull more.

Someone jumping ahead and grabbing mobs then bringing them back to your AOE spam is the opposite of disrespect. They are helping you. Accept their help by simply continuing to press AOE buttons like you were before.

I don't agree with this, it's not helpful and just slow things down. Let the tank drive the bus and if you want them to speed up, tell them. If they ignore you, get a new bus driver.

[Xirean]

I don't agree with this, it's not helpful and just slow things down. Let the tank drive the bus and if you want them to speed up, tell them. If they ignore you, get a new bus driver.

Some people do say to pull more in chat. Some don't. Either way, I take the action of a DPS pulling stuff to me as them saying "Tank please pull more." I don't need them to type. A LOT of players literally can't do it because console. The standard of "Just say something" doesn't work because a large portion of the player base CANNOT say anything quickly without making a macro for it.