A lot of pre-WOW players!

[skyfox]

I just came back to Eorzea from couple of months break and I noticed there are a lot of WoW players joined/joining our FC recently. I know nothing about WoW but is there anything going on there? Are there not enough contents in WoW anymore? They sometime call themselves wow refuge but I am not sure why they call themselves as a refuge Regardless, it is good to see so many new players with sprout on top of their head!

[RobynDaBank]

Don't mind me, just setting up the first popcorn stand in this thread!

[Sotaris]

Don't mind me, just setting up the first popcorn stand in this thread!

I got the seasoning.

[Breakbeat]

Don't mind me, just setting up the first popcorn stand in this thread!

Fair enough! Since I'm just kicking it here eatin' some popcorn, I will point out that "pre-WoW" means "before WoW", not "this player came from WoW."

On topic, I find it egregiously ridiculous that WoW, for whatever reason, cannot make their low-res-portraits of scantily clad females go over well with the public. While here in Final Fantasy, on this same Earth, on the same Internet, with the same IRL social problems, we seem to have zero issues with an event centered around some guy in a B&D/S&M mask that apparently works(?) with a whole gaggle of high-res scantily clad females. Females, I might add, with specific "bend to accentuate lady parts" animations.

We even get brief low-camera-angles so you can see up their skirts, cheerleader style. /shrug

It's friggin' weird. I mean, the whole Earth is weird. You can have sexytime over here, but sexytime over there results in #HASHTAGMOVEMENT. Both T rated games. Both available on PC today for 13-year-olds to sink their teeth into.

Yes, a few of the people behind that game over there that had a smidge of sexytime in it did some bad things. So did many of the artists behind music we still listen to (Michael Jackson still makes dancefloors move), movies we still watch (have you removed anything connected to Harvey Weinstein or Roman Polanski from your collection?), and books we read (Orson Scott Card comes to mind, he of Ender's Game fame, a top 50 fiction writer in 2021, and a horribly homophobic jerk who believes a gay lifestyle should be illegal, and that sodomy laws should still be in effect. Shoot, even Roald Dahl (Charlie and the Chocolate Factory, the Witches, the BFG, James and the Giant Peach, etc., etc.) was an anti-Semitic prick, and we still give his books to our children and take our families to watch movies based on his books.)

Separate the art from the artist, publicly. How is it productive to go on Twitter and tweet about social justice for a few hours, then sit down and watch Gangs of New York, the English Patient, Pulp Fiction or Jackie Brown? I hesitate to use popular catch-phrases like 'virtue signaling' (/retch) but there's no better phrase to describe our online behavior these days. We'll type a bunch of words online to show how much we frown upon bad behavior, but no one is chucking loads of Weinstein or Polanski Blu-Rays into the trash, and there's no mass cancellation of iTunes accounts because they still sell Michael Jackson albums.

Every single one of us has a piece of music, a movie, a book, or a television show in our possession (collection, online, whatever) that is connected to someone who has done bad things. I know it's hard - apparently really hard - but it would behoove us to learn to appreciate subjective entertainment despite who produced it. Otherwise, if we really decide as a society that we aren't going to separate artist from art, then let's be real about it and go ahead and purge everything off the Earth ever created by someone who once did evil things.

It's pretty convenient to live in modern times where one "version" of a person stands against things, and a different "version" of the same person sits down and consumes what they stand against. One can jump on bandwagons and feel popular and "part of the group" in the morning, then listen to great music or watch really great movies from "evil people" in the evening, with no guilt whatsoever, because no one will call you on the carpet and ask you to explain the two different versions of your life.

Honestly, folks better hope we don't decide to do a purge, because your car, your house, your electricity, your internet, your clothing, and every other possession you own will disappear, should it come to that. You think no one that designs cars or builds homes or sews clothes ever did anything evil? Boy, have I got a revelation for you. Yikes!

[Illmaeran]

I just came back to Eorzea from couple of months break and I noticed there are a lot of WoW players joined/joining our FC recently. I know nothing about WoW but is there anything going on there? Are there not enough contents in WoW anymore? They sometime call themselves wow refuge but I am not sure why they call themselves as a refuge Regardless, it is good to see so many new players with sprout on top of their head!

There's been trends with WoW development over the past couple of expansions that have angered or disenfranchised a good portion of the player base. In addition, Blizzard has been a part of some pretty hefty scandals in recent times, which has also put off a lot of people. With those things, a fair amount of people left WoW for XIV "refugees". This isn't a new phenomenon; many many many long-term XIV players played WoW to one degree or another in the past and came here when their time in WoW was over. What's most noticeable is the rate of increase in refugees when some high-profile streamers started playing XIV rather than WoW. A large number of people made the switch as well, which is why we're seeing the surge in the player base.

Don't forget your watering can if you're playing with Sprouts!

Don't mind me, just setting up the first popcorn stand in this thread!

How many Crafter's Scrips did that cost?

[skyfox]

There's been a trend with WoW development over the past couple of expansions that have angered or disenfranchised a good portion of the player base. In addition, Blizzard has been a part of some pretty hefty scandals in recent times, which has also put off a lot of people. With those things, a fair amount of people left WoW for XIV "refugees". This isn't a new phenomenon; many many many long-term XIV players played WoW to one degree or another in the past and came here when their time in WoW was over. What's most noticeable is the rate of increase in refugees when some high-profile streamers started playing XIV rather than WoW. A large number of people made the switch as well, which is why we're seeing the surge in the player base.

Don't forget your watering can if you're playing with Sprouts!




How many Crafter's Scrips did that cost?

whoa. I didn't know that. I feel like I am way behind with all these new changes. I wouldn't mind watering our little sprouts of course! I can tell they quite like their new place. Ah btw, some "wow refuge" told me FF14 seems too easy compare to WoW. Is it true or is it because they haven't come across our savage raid yet? I am not sure if it is just me but I sometime find even 24man raid bit challenging not to mention some of CEs in Bozja.

[Illmaeran]

Ah btw, some "wow refuge" told me FF14 seems too easy compare to WoW. Is it true or is it because they haven't come across our savage raid yet? I am not sure if it is just me but I sometime find even 24man raid bit challenging not to mention some of CEs in Bozja.

It's a matter of personal opinion, but many people, especially players who have more recently been involved in WoW, feel XIV's gameplay is too slow and/or too easy, yes. The teams for each game have different design philosophies, which is reflected in group content; especially raids. Since the previous expansion Battle for Azeroth, WoW's focused on hardcore/heavy progression/increasingly challenging content so it's my guess that many people who've recently left are used to that sort of thing and/or stuck with WoW because they liked that kind of content. To understate things; there's an undercurrent of dissatisfaction with how casual-friendly XIV is within the "refugee community" that's vocal here on the forums. Players voicing that sentiment often come across as wanting XIV to change into something akin to FF-WoW 2.0 which causes a decent amount of conflict among the more staunch/long-time XIV players. Watch your head in these threads.

[Pells]

How many Crafter's Scrips did that cost?

I'm sure Rowena made an offer that couldn't be refused.

[Illmaeran]

Tried LOTRO but the cash shop pissed me off to no end

All I can say is something clicked this time. Its been around 3 years now and I am still having a blast. No thought at all of going back to WoW.

For those asking I was on Wyrmrest Accord and Steamwheedle Cartel.

I went to LOTRO after leaving WoW and loved it. Having to buy all the content I'd previously had access to when subscribed at launch really pissed me off, for sure. Once I realized I could permanently buy content with coins earned in the game that cooled down. I was a broke grad student at the time so the Buy to Play option was a big deal for me. Combined with the coin purchase, getting an expansion here and there for birthdays and Christmas kept me going for a long time without having to pay a subscription. Once I got a real job and could afford a sub, XIV hooked me and I stopped playing. I'll always have a soft spot for the game; it was the right game at the right time.

"Clicking" is so true! It's amazing how the exact same thing isn't interesting at one point, but can be entrancing later on. I'm glad to hear you found your joy with this game and hope it remains.

When did you start on WrA? After server hopping for years, I found my home there and absolutely loved the community. The RP kept things interesting for a long time. I mained an Orc at server opening and founded the Sundered Skull Clan, if you were around at that time.

If done right the player won't notice the game scaling difficulty up. One of the largest driving factors causing players to say they have no interest in trial/raid content is the rift the game design route has caused between them. Rather than a slow gradual incline to reach a higher elevation which was kind of the case with ARR they changed later to a flat level surface leading to a wall they have to climb. Many players see that wall and just sit there staring at it until they choose to walk away either to never come back or to return later when the wall has eroded due to power creep from ilvl inflation or an expansion increasing the lvl cap.

The wall is real! I avoided raiding like the plague for the longest time, but now that I'm much higher level, the synching thing has opened up that level of content and I'm enjoying it a lot now. It's amazing how doing them in roulettes makes the process more enjoyable and I've been able to see significant improvement in how I play. It's become a win-win for me. I still don't do Savage or EX, but doing normal difficulty is my Goldilocks Zone. <3

I'm sure Rowena made an offer that couldn't be refused.

No kidding. I found a Chocobo head in my bed when I woke up the other day.....

[Myrany]

When did you start on WrA? After server hopping for years, I found my home there and absolutely loved the community. The RP kept things interesting for a long time. I mained an Orc at server opening and founded the Sundered Skull Clan, if you were around at that time.

I was alliance on WrA and Horde on Steamwheedle. I am thinking it was during Wrath I rolled on WrA. I think I was on Bronzebeard during classic up to wrath but I don't clearly remember to be certain.