It's time to hire dedicated Tank an Healer devs!

[AngeliouxRein]

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This type of mindset doesn’t really work in a game like this. When you have a whole director approving changes such as shortening the healer cast time just so they can, SAY IT WITH ME NOW, to encourage healers to DPS. Never mind the fact that in the end game raids, healers are required to DPS to pass. Also, plenty of players will have an increased “you have no excuse not to DPS” mentality and proceed to tell you to get good if you disagree. Already seen a lot of comments across platforms of players hoping this means healers will DPS more.

Even if we request more reasons to heal in this game, that practically got stomped out the window since, once again, Yoshi doesn’t want put pressure or make healing too hard. So, not even the healers that want to heal more will be satisfied unless they get a group that’s struggling with content.

In the end, not all healers mains are asking for the same kind of kit but for SE to get creative on helping with downtime to not be so boring. DPS is the easiest thing to ask for since it doesn’t take effort to add DPS skills to what healers already have. Like WHM could have lilies that turn into poison roses after you use the normal ones, or something lol, that can be used to DPS and maybe have a modified blood lily that attacks and applies a debuff/DOT to their target. This is a very basic idea but it’s something lol

Basically, make all the healer kits more interesting like they’re doing with AST in Endwalker. AST, even with the nerfs, still had cards to break up the boredom. We used to have different buffs for each card along with ways to enhance or prolong those buffs. They brought back two of those. And the lord and lady effects got a reworked back into a heal and damage skill. Actually excited to be able to go full circle and main AST again.

But this style of healer isn’t for everyone, hence us asking for them to add DPS/buffs/DOT to add variety to healers so every healer main has healer job to enjoy.

Just gotta get passed this weird logic of SE to want healers to just heal while at the same time encouraging us to not just heal …

[Allegor]

remove Feint, Addle and interrupts from everyone else and give them to healers, that'd give them something else to do without directly contributing to dps /s

On a more serious note, being given more buffs, debuffs, or utility stuff would be an option, but I don't see that happening. Most people who want a better dps kit don't want it because they want to dps instead of healing, they just want to do something other than pressing 111111111111 while there's nothing to heal. AST can get away with it because they are constantly weaving cards, but that sense of monotony is specially noticeable with WHM

Also, conveniently, as satire-oriented as it is: https://youtu.be/olxZUfxk4bo

[Aword3213]

Even if we request more reasons to heal in this game, that practically got stomped out the window since, once again, Yoshi doesn’t want put pressure or make healing too hard.

From what I gathered from LL LXVI and the interview, they are willing to raise the skill floor in terms of healing instead of dpsing. Quite the opposite to your statement

[AngeliouxRein]

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With him stating constantly on media tours that they want to make healers as accessible as possible, them trying to say they’re willing to increase reasons to heal is something that’s going to have to be seen to believe.Whatever healer checks they add can easily get bulldozed with just us getting stronger gear. Thunder God alliance raid had some good heal checks in there but the stronger our gear got the easier it was for only one healer to top off the entire party. Doesn’t help that place got nerfs along the way do to complaints of those raids being too hard. So whatever they added in the live letter alongside with what we’ve seen up to now, I won’t believe none of their nonsense until I see it. lol

[Aword3213]

With him stating constantly on media tours that they want to make healers as accessible as possible, them trying to say they’re willing to increase reasons to heal is something that’s going to have to be seen to believe.Whatever healer checks they add can easily get bulldozed with just us getting stronger gear. Thunder God alliance raid had some good heal checks in there but the stronger our gear got the easier it was for only one healer to top off the entire party. Doesn’t help that place got nerfs along the way do to complaints of those raids being too hard. So whatever they added in the live letter alongside with what we’ve seen up to now, I won’t believe none of their nonsense until I see it. lol

Yes, it needs to be seen to believe. However, making statement opposite to the record sounds very disingenuous of you. That statement in your reply led to the conclusion that more dps tools for healers is the best option. You're twisting the official statement to suit your personal preference and agenda.

Even if we request more reasons to heal in this game, that practically got stomped out the window

Then it's not stomped out of the window. It's the direction they are going to take. Whether they nail it or fail it is another story.

[Izscha]

Yes, it needs to be seen to believe. However, making statement opposite to the record sounds very disingenuous of you. That statement in your reply led to the conclusion that more dps tools for healers is the best option. You're twisting the official statement to suit your personal preference and agenda.



Then it's not stomped out of the window. It's the direction they are going to take. Whether they nail it or fail it is another story.

They promised a lot of bs over the years especially over jobs and changes, if you choose to still believe what they say in the LL it's on you to be such a naive fool but we've seen enough " yeah yeah we will do stuff" and make it worse in the end.
They will never increase heal requirment because the average player is terrible at the game and everyone the devs included knows it, it will never happen so yeah better get better dps rotation that's better than nothing.

[AngeliouxRein]

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Hmm, me telling you what I’ve seen him say through media tours and then giving my opinion is not what I would call twisting words. I call that me restating exactly what he said and the direction he wants to go. Then following up with my opinion as one of the many healers wondering why after 2 years of us having 15 heals in our kit and have only a couple of endgame raids be the only place that forced healers to heal more often.

Things have been stomped out the window for the last two years. No amount of text or empty words will change my mind until I see it. Hell, I didn’t even want to believe the AST changes until I watched some videos on the rework.

On top of that, pretty sure I mentioned that not all healers want more DPS skills. I went on to list that others may wish they had more buffs or raid utility, debuffs or just interesting heal mechanic. Anything but what we got now so that a variety of healers can enjoy being a healer in this game.

We’ve got four healers now and all four don’t need to play the same otherwise what’s the point of having four healers?

[Deceptus]

In the end, not all healers mains are asking for the same kind of kit but for SE to get creative on helping with downtime to not be so boring. DPS is the easiest thing to ask for since it doesn’t take effort to add DPS skills to what healers already have.

And the reason we ask for that is because it's simply not mandatory in the sense that the ToS say we can't tell people HOW to play their jobs.

If the extra DPS options exist and veterans choose to use them, stuff simply dies faster.

If the Pure Healer folks decide not to use them, the buttons are simply unused. They still do the basics of their job.

But having the exact same damage rotation from lvl 4 to lvl 80 is simply unacceptable in any game.

From what I gathered from LL LXVI and the interview, they are willing to raise the skill floor in terms of healing instead of dpsing. Quite the opposite to your statement

They said this same thing at the start of ShadowBringers. It didn't materialize.

[Aword3213]

They said this same thing at the start of ShadowBringers. It didn't materialize.

It didn't, but a false quote is still a false quote

Hmm, me telling you what I’ve seen him say through media tours and then giving my opinion is not what I would call twisting words.

watch again then. You're getting wrong ideas

if you choose to still believe what they say in the LL it's on you to be such a naive fool but we've seen enough " yeah yeah we will do stuff" and make it worse in the end.
They will never increase heal requirment because the average player is terrible at the game and everyone the devs included knows it, it will never happen so yeah better get better dps rotation that's better than nothing.

Just pointing out the mistake in that statement alone.

please don't assume my position on this matter

[ItMe]

It didn't, but a false quote is still a false quote

I'm not sure what you mean by "false quote."
Can you elaborate?