Dev Team Feedback - SCH

[PaulH]

I do wonder if as part of challenge log we should get XP or tomes for spamming Broil 10,000 doesnt seem hard to get haha .

Scholar did get Scholars Harbour in the Old Sharlayan area as seen on the media tour walk.

I totally get of comments and I hanker for 2.0/3.0 scholar but know it isn't coming back but I would like to see Aetherflow being used outside of combat that would be my one wish based on the current kit. I can live with all the rest even fey union and dissipation if I had to or just simply generate aetherflow stacks every 20 seconds like Sage.

Does Sacred soil and then dumping expediate sort of stack? one states only suffering from 90% of damage inflicted and the other reduces damage taken by 10% sort of equals a 20% save if i just stand still? I may not be reading that right?

[AFuzzyMu11in]

I do wonder if as part of challenge log we should get XP or tomes for spamming Broil 10,000 doesnt seem hard to get haha .

Scholar did get Scholars Harbour in the Old Sharlayan area as seen on the media tour walk.

I totally get of comments and I hanker for 2.0/3.0 scholar but know it isn't coming back but I would like to see Aetherflow being used outside of combat that would be my one wish based on the current kit. I can live with all the rest even fey union and dissipation if I had to or just simply generate aetherflow stacks every 20 seconds like Sage.

Does Sacred soil and then dumping expediate sort of stack? one states only suffering from 90% of damage inflicted and the other reduces damage taken by 10% sort of equals a 20% save if i just stand still? I may not be reading that right?

No cause then we go back to prepull aetherflow which was terrible and a whole raiding thing for rotations openers

[NobleWinter]

I like Dissipation, Fey Union, and Seraph. I may be the only one but I enjoy that Scholar has an actual healing rotation. WHM and Astro can blow every cooldown they have at once because it's all cohesive for them. They increase their potency and burst heal and then wonder why they have no cool downs left 30 seconds later. Scholar has conflicting design to some, but it always has enough healing for every situation. You start a pull with Whispering Dawn and three charges of Aetherflow and a prepull Adlo. This carries you thru until your Aetherflow runs out and then you use Fey Illumination to boost your spell power and reduce damage mildly before using Dissipation. Now you have three more charges of Aetherflow and incredibly potent shields while your fairy is gone. The cool down on Aetherflow is coming up soon and your fairy returns before Whispering Dawn is even available. You didn't lose anything with your fairy gone except the fear that your tank would die. You never stopped pressing Art of War and everyone is impressed you did so much damage while managing a ton of healing and dodging aoes.

The entire lore behind Scholar is a battle tactician and the fact other healers are easier doesn't make me envious. Scholar feels really good to plan ahead with. Picking a heal at random with WHM becuase every single one works doesn't bring me any kind of joy. Astro having an incredibly powerful oGCD available every 20 seconds doesn't make me feel like a good healer. I don't like spamming one dps button because it's mindless and having 30 heals that all do the same thing is only slightly less mindless. Scholar still has some thought required for healing and now that the dps actions and Selene skills are gone for good I don't want to lose the few intricacies of the healing kit. I enjoy using Fey Union and Whispering Dawn together. Scholar layers one skill after another together in this beautiful tapestry of healing that encourages you to learn how to play it properly. It forces you to manage your MP enconomy and without any speed boost like Lightspeed or Presence of Mind you realize the game gives you a lot of time to hardcast a revive. Healing extremely well within the confines of the Scholar kit is engaging to me. I can force mechanics to be survivable with crit shields and multiple damage reductions. It's a bonkers class, but I dont want it to become anything more similar to WHM. We already got WHM with cards and mobility. I dont want WHM with a fairy to be next.

[Nizzi]

If we want to talk about things on Scholar that can be fixed and not even change anything dramatically about the job currently...

Why do Eos and Selene still have a cast time in Endwalker? What's the logic behind this? If the developers want to make healers less punishing; Scholar loses the entirety of it's oGCD healing kit upon dying. How is that not needlessly punishing for mistakes?
While I do think Scholar should reward thinking ahead and skilled play, it shouldn't be to the point where you're locked out of performing your job. The other healers only need to worry about getting MP back; Scholar has to press Lucid, stand still for 2.44 seconds in battle recasting it's faerie, and wait for upwards of 60 seconds to get Aetherflow back unless you use Dissipation to eat your fairy that you just stood still to cast. If an Arcanist can instantly summon it's Carbuncle, why isn't the well educated "Scholar" able to figure that equation out for his new gig?

[Calysto]

If we want to talk about things on Scholar that can be fixed and not even change anything dramatically about the job currently...

Why do Eos and Selene still have a cast time in Endwalker? What's the logic behind this? If the developers want to make healers less punishing; Scholar loses the entirety of it's oGCD healing kit upon dying. How is that not needlessly punishing for mistakes?
While I do think Scholar should reward thinking ahead and skilled play, it shouldn't be to the point where you're locked out of performing your job. The other healers only need to worry about getting MP back; Scholar has to press Lucid, stand still for 2.44 seconds in battle recasting it's faerie, and wait for upwards of 60 seconds to get Aetherflow back unless you use Dissipation to eat your fairy that you just stood still to cast. If an Arcanist can instantly summon it's Carbuncle, why isn't the well educated "Scholar" able to figure that equation out for his new gig?

I'd say it's because the animation is neat, they don't want to throw it away.
And yes ; AF on CD when you raise is annoying.

[Yhisa]

In all fairness this is the problem with healers

Currently I do like that they are finally splitting them up into shield healer and pure healer, so I expect more changes to happen to balance these roles together

The problem I see on the scholar side is often people keep "pushing" to further their "healing" role, when in fact I think scholar needs to be pushed more on its "shielding" factor and support to the "pure healer"


All scholar skills works as intended and require u to "think" with Ur co healer and map our Ur skills to beat the boss, with minimum effort in the healing aspect

Scholar provides a STRONG kit to the other healer in the party and is the king for being the secondary healer that is legit unmatched, which people keep forgetting

Scholar provides soo much

Fey illumination (increase healing + damage reduction)

Sacred soil (regen + damage reduction, cost 1 aether)

Whispering dawn (no mp cost just a cd)

Indom (no mp cost, cost 1 aether)

Lustrate x3 (no mp cost and cost 1 aether)

Chain strategem (damage buff for the entire party)

Now with endwalker coming they now have even more skills to support their co healer

New buff ( increase max hp, and heals them)
New AoE buff (increase movement speed + damage reduction last 20sec.....this skill is soo broken it's going to get nerf it last longer then normal sprint since that got nerf to 10sec whilst in combat)


So yeah I kinda expect some nerfs heading towards scholar and astrologian in endwalker because they have TOO much utility in their kit so I can already see a few nerfs coming to these jobs in endwalker

[Deceptus]

In all fairness this is the problem with healers

Currently I do like that they are finally splitting them up into shield healer and pure healer, so I expect more changes to happen to balance these roles together

The problem I see on the scholar side is often people keep "pushing" to further their "healing" role, when in fact I think scholar needs to be pushed more on its "shielding" factor and support to the "pure healer"


All scholar skills works as intended and require u to "think" with Ur co healer and map our Ur skills to beat the boss, with minimum effort in the healing aspect

Scholar provides a STRONG kit to the other healer in the party and is the king for being the secondary healer that is legit unmatched, which people keep forgetting

Scholar provides soo much

Fey illumination (increase healing + damage reduction)

Sacred soil (regen + damage reduction, cost 1 aether)

Whispering dawn (no mp cost just a cd)

Indom (no mp cost, cost 1 aether)

Lustrate x3 (no mp cost and cost 1 aether)

Chain strategem (damage buff for the entire party)

Now with endwalker coming they now have even more skills to support their co healer

New buff ( increase max hp, and heals them)
New AoE buff (increase movement speed + damage reduction last 20sec.....this skill is soo broken it's going to get nerf it last longer then normal sprint since that got nerf to 10sec whilst in combat)

Fey Illumination: Only affects casted heals and most of SCH's healing is OGCD abilities. 5% magic reduction is meh because you have no way of reliably knowing what attack is magic.

Whispering dawn (no mp cost just a cd) - Extremely weak and will be weaker in EW. But hey, it's free.

All Aether Abilities: Limited to 3x per minute and if sh!t hits the fan, you're desperate for stacks.

Sure you can Dissipate and lose the vast amount of your utility and fairy heals for 3 extra stacks.

New AoE buff (increase movement speed + damage reduction last 20sec.....this skill is soo broken it's going to get nerf it last longer then normal sprint since that got nerf to 10sec whilst in combat)

It is an in combat peloton which isn't that much. It's an extra step every 10 steps. Hardly game breaking. The real benefit is the 10% damage mitigation.

[WaxSw]

In all fairness this is the problem with healers

Currently I do like that they are finally splitting them up into shield healer and pure healer, so I expect more changes to happen to balance these roles together

The problem I see on the scholar side is often people keep "pushing" to further their "healing" role, when in fact I think scholar needs to be pushed more on its "shielding" factor and support to the "pure healer"


All scholar skills works as intended and require u to "think" with Ur co healer and map our Ur skills to beat the boss, with minimum effort in the healing aspect

Scholar provides a STRONG kit to the other healer in the party and is the king for being the secondary healer that is legit unmatched, which people keep forgetting

Scholar provides soo much

Fey illumination (increase healing + damage reduction)

Sacred soil (regen + damage reduction, cost 1 aether)

Whispering dawn (no mp cost just a cd)

Indom (no mp cost, cost 1 aether)

Lustrate x3 (no mp cost and cost 1 aether)

Chain strategem (damage buff for the entire party)

Now with endwalker coming they now have even more skills to support their co healer

New buff ( increase max hp, and heals them)
New AoE buff (increase movement speed + damage reduction last 20sec.....this skill is soo broken it's going to get nerf it last longer then normal sprint since that got nerf to 10sec whilst in combat)


So yeah I kinda expect some nerfs heading towards scholar and astrologian in endwalker because they have TOO much utility in their kit so I can already see a few nerfs coming to these jobs in endwalker

I think in the meta they're not overpowered and in the case of Sch will rely on how much chain stratagem gives, in fact I'd say that what may make Sch powerful against sage is not at all what you said, let me elaborate:

Fey Illumination: 5% mitigation + 10% buff to gcd heals to both you and your partner at 2m cd, its not among the strongest things sch has as the 5% is only to magical attacks and the 10% only affects gcds so is mostly used as a 5% mitigation at 0 dps cost nothing that may make a healer above the other however while Sch can only reach 14% mitigation at 0 dps cost (Expedient + Illumination), Sage can reach 19% (Kerachole+Pneuma).

Sacred Soil: It has a 100 dps cost while Sge has an equivalent in Kerachole for free which only has 1 less regen tick and a better reach (15y vs 8y), soil can be placed but its easier to get the 100% power from kerachole as its a buff, in terms of efficiency Kerachole is better

Whispering dawn: Sge has Physis which is exactly the same but with 20% more power

Indom: Sage has Ixochole which is the same as Sch but while Indom has (outside recitation) 100 potency dps cost Sge's version is free

Lustrate: Sage has Druochole which is the same but once again at 0 dps cost while Sch version has 100 potency cost

Chain Strat: The thing that imo will make or break Sge

Protraction: A strong skill indeed but not that far from Sge's version, Sch version has 10% hp increase and 10% heal increase while Sge's version has 20% heal increase, Sch wins this one

Expedient: While the sprint is good and can help prog its not always a gain, the real kicker is the 10% mitigation as is the only way Sch has to provide a 10% partywide mitigation without dps loss, Sge has the same with pneuma but with a 400 heal which may help it to avoid gcds and be something useful in any kind of content, both mitigations last the same but as I said while Sge can reach 19% without losing dps Sch would have to use Soil (and lose dps) to reach the same.

Is too soon to say which will the meta, we don't know with the stat squish how strong stratagem will be vs the Sge extra potency but in terms of just healing while Sch is no weakling and its very versatile Sge seems to be an equally versatile healer but more efficient

[Yhisa]

Tbh from now on I think SE should just "hide" potencies until official release day

They even said 'ignore potencies they subjected to change'

All the streamers who went to the event ....all said on their video "ignore potencies because they are expected to change dramatically"

Yet people still "compare" potencies which isn't even the "final" product at this current time


So under that rule the only thing we can compare is legit "percentages" that is upon the spell effects and legit nothing else

[Deceptus]

Tbh from now on I think SE should just "hide" potencies until official release day

They even said 'ignore potencies they subjected to change'

All the streamers who went to the event ....all said on their video "ignore potencies because they are expected to change dramatically"

Yet people still "compare" potencies which isn't even the "final" product at this current time


So under that rule the only thing we can compare is legit "percentages" that is upon the spell effects and legit nothing else

And the reason we don't ignore potencies is because for the past expansions potencies changed very little from the media tour to the live X.0 patch.

You're at Step 1 of what I call the "FFXIV White Knight Cycle". It has happened so much every expansion I actually have developed a list:

The same thing that gets trotted out every new expansion:

1) Don't complain about what was shown pre-release until you try it yourself!

Followed by

2) Don't complain about it until you reach max level!

Followed by

3) Don't complain about it until the first raid tier is here!

Followed by

4) You're just playing it wrong

5) Meanwhile, the thing that was complained about before the expansion drops, the developers acknowledge something is wrong and take 6 months to fix it (on top of the months we took to get to this point) instead of taking feedback early and fixing it then. To which the white knights will shout from the rooftops:

"Look at SE listening to our feedback!!"