Another expansion ignoring AoE access

[Endariel]

It's absolutely mind-blowing how we are in the 6th expansion (especially after shb, which standardized AoE), yet some jobs do not get an AoE until their forties.
Why DRG has to spam ST skills in a dungeon for 40 levels and someone as scholar for 46

[Xiu_Ye]

First AoE skill should come with the same level you unlock your first dungeon and should have an in game note saying to try it (or something like this to suggest the utilization of it). This kinda hand holds and guides people to understanding the importance of AoE. Its really a point of frustration that some classes dont even gain an AoE attack until well into leveling (level 40???). Not really sure what reasoning is provided to not have this combo like that.

[Sotaris]

How much aoe damage do we really do pre 40 though? I'd imagine the damage is barely noticable.

[Xiu_Ye]

Half the point is getting players to understand that large groups of mobs (dungeons) are where you should use AoE. There are a lot of players who are max level or near max level and still doing pure single target rotations. This drags things out and is kinda disappointing that people are that unaware. Its not about being speedrunner or zoom zoom fast through things, but getting people to understand the absolute basics of the game. Its like playing a fighter game and not knowing you can kick instead of punch?

I also dont see how this is even an argument against giving people AoE at the level where you would use it in the very next content you do? It seems to logically follow that in the first instance it would be beneficial is where you get it.

[DragoAskani]

Half the point is getting players to understand that large groups of mobs (dungeons) are where you should use AoE. There are a lot of players who are max level or near max level and still doing pure single target rotations. This drags things out and is kinda disappointing that people are that unaware. Its not about being speedrunner or zoom zoom fast through things, but getting people to understand the absolute basics of the game. Its like playing a fighter game and not knowing you can kick instead of punch?

I also dont see how this is even an argument against giving people AoE at the level where you would use it in the very next content you do? It seems to logically follow that in the first instance it would be beneficial is where you get it.

What makes you think that people who don't even read tooltips are going to do even if they get the spell at lvl 1? Get real.

[Xiu_Ye]

People don't read tooltips.... so our solution is.... do nothing at all to help them learn the importance of AoE skills..? I fail to understand what your post is trying to say besides voicing your own personal frustration at other players not pulling their weight. You sound like you should be the loudest advocate for the game doing more to get players involved in how their skills work and when to use them.

[RobynDaBank]

IMO the difference is definitely noticeable, literally some minutes ago I was in a Halatali as ARC with a PGL and it was clear that they were single-targeting only because threat was skewed and it was just... Weird? AoE play is core to dungeons, so it's unfathomable why at least 1 ability isn't available the moment we unlock them. 45 is ridiculously late for healers to get AoE, BTW. Also, it's funny to play RDM in something like Sastasha, where to get White Mana you have to single target and it's all so lopsided.

[Rein_eon_Osborne]

Also, it's funny to play RDM in something like Sastasha, where to get White Mana you have to single target and it's all so lopsided.

I don't even bother with mana balancing at that point until less than 3 enemies left standing. Multiplying factor from their AoE alone really outshines everything else. Earlier ARR dungeon doesn't seem to be designed to have mobs that can withstand heavy AoE bombardment.

[RitsukoSonoda]

How much aoe damage do we really do pre 40 though? I'd imagine the damage is barely noticable.

It really isn't noticeable at all in those super low level duties if your DPS are doing what they're supposed to. All they're really doing at that point is putting more stress on the healer because those duties were not designed around 1 braincell AoE spam like non leveling duties in later expansions.

[Momo_Kozuki]

How much aoe damage do we really do pre 40 though? I'd imagine the damage is barely noticable.

Let's say your normal low-level combo deal 40 damage per two button press. Your AoE button deal 9 damage, so it only deal 18 per two button press on a single-target.


However, AoE can hit multi-target, so while you deal 40 damage per two button press on single target, you will deal 54 damage per two button presses if three targets, and more. The more monsters, the more damage AoE combo deals in total. A group of ARR dungeons usually have 3-4 monsters, and it is safe to pull two groups at once.