"Swift completion" is relative to the game, not the community

[SturmChurro]

It is, but it's exceedingly rare. There is a point at which low DPS can become genuinely obstructive, and I've seen kicks go through in dungeons over it. One instance was a DRG who only used his single target combo via a macro in Malikahs Well; His contribution to the party was so low that it made double pulls almost impossible, as the tank and healer exhausted all of their cooldowns by the time the first pull was over. Another instance involved a BLM, ironically in the same dungeon, who was only casting thunder spells and the occasional blizzard.

I'd also like to point out that it's extremely rare to receive public flak in-game for the way you are playing, so when someone complains that they are repeatedly being dogged on by other players its a huge red flag. It means that they're either playing at the level as mentioned above, obstructive, or are unstable and read every single interaction as an attack or slight.

Too true. Good DPS helps everyone in the party out. Not using a proper rotation, or, God forbid, AoEs, puts unnecessary stress on the rest of the party.

I only really get 'attacked' for "not healing" when playing my WHM, but I never really see it otherwise.

[SieyaM]

This argument comes up very often on these boards and it never goes anywhere constructive. Even with slow pullers though I have never had a roulette run take more than 20 minutes, so if your runs are taking longer than that it isn't the rate at which the tank is pulling that is your problem, your DPS probably isn't doing enough damage to burn even those few enemies fast enough.

[Nihility]

If it goes at a smooth rate it personally doesn't bother me too much. It's just super incredibly boring doing 1 pull at a time, especially as a healer, to the point my mind may just wander off and watch youtube rather than focus on the game.

big clouds of monsters are just a lot more exciting to deal with imo and going fast is a bonus

[Avidria]

Kicking someone for low DPS isn't a thing in this game, and I personally think that's a good thing.

Honestly that's probably half because of how insanely forgiving literally everything outside actual current endgame raiding is more than anything. Like low dps will absolutely make a run noticeably slower, but me personally I usually just don't care enough to say or do anything about it unless the person is literally doing nothing.

What's wild is, while I have absolutely seen people do that (shout-out to that one whm that spent almost an entire e6 running around doing mechanics but casting nothing????) It's also just... Generally easier to ignore in this game. Maybe part of that IS because I don't have numbers on my screen telling me someone is performing abysmally, but I also... don't really need the numbers to be able to tell most of the time. Idk. It's interesting to think about.

But I also think I'm a lot more mellow now than I was when I played, say, WoW. Even then I probably kicked as many people for whining about dps as I did for doing bad (read: literally afk) dps so I mean : p shrug lmao

[Jijifli]

Source: The many compliments I’ve received tanking through the 60’s in FFXIV… including the group I saved from a terrible wipe.

Ah, the compliments for "doing a good job" by the great community in DF leveling dungeons? I'm sure our wonderful playerbase wouldn't just be saying that to encourage you to stick with tanking, rather than you actually doing a good job.

It's not like I've heard these empty compliments before. Like, say, to that SAM in Sirensong Sea who had level 50 gear and would be 1 shotted by any unavoidable mechanic, who was told they were doing fine, it was okay, through the entire dungeon. Surely that made it okay. Or the quite a number of cure 1 white mage's I kept getting, specially around Bardam's, who just couldn't keep up, who were told they were doing fine and great, even when we'd die, because they're doing healing, it's clearly not something they're doing wrong.

Heck a friend I got into the game this year told me about some confusion he had while leveling monk and samurai. He'd get frustrated and just do something else, but still be in the dungeon (so, leeching, something I scolded him on), but despite that, would receive compliments and commendations anyways. Literally. Doing. Nothing. Get. Compliment. Course, he could just be talking out of his bum, but given what I've seen (I've had plenty of leech defenders in my time), I wouldn't be too shocked.

So, no, the compliments don't make the macro's perfectly fine. You're still gimping yourself by using them on 99% of skills (The only skills they really do well on are tether buffs like dragon sight, and ground placers like salted earth, due to multiple clicks to use).

[SturmChurro]

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You know, thinking on it, when I've seen people say things along the lines of "good job", "you are doing fine", etc. it really is only directed towards players not doing either of those.

[Rein_eon_Osborne]

Ah, the compliments for "doing a good job" by the great community in DF leveling dungeons? I'm sure our wonderful playerbase wouldn't just be saying that to encourage you to stick with tanking, rather than you actually doing a good job.

You know, thinking on it, when I've seen people say things along the lines of "good job", "you are doing fine", etc. it really is only directed towards players not doing either of those.

Pretty much. Adding to this, whoever ask the "Am I doing fine/good?"-question has very likely probability of meeting an echo chamber. If you're a healer or tank that's doing their bare minimum effort? That's certainly almost 100% to get an echo chamber.

I do see those self-affirming question as an opportunity to slip in tips, subtly or not. I.e. "You're fine. We didn't wipe. But if it helps you, relying more onto <insert ability> will make your lives immensely easier!"

Works like a charm.

[Artemiz]

I'll be DPSing. With my priority macro rotation that I have for almost every job.

Oh I see what this is now, it's Dunning and Kruger doing another experiment isn't it? You sneaky sausages, you got me there, lads.

[Dianoia]

The thing poeple like you dont get is that you're not alone, it's others time too.
If they dont want to waste 30 min on a daily roulette it's totally fair even more when you have a limited time to play.
It's not up to only you to decide when it's a 4 ppl party if that's long run or not even more when you can take more as a tank, it's almost griefing at this point to force people around you to do things slowly because YOU want it like that.
So yeah i guess Trust system is better for you.

So true. And if it were up to any one person, that person should be the healer, not the tank