"Swift completion" is relative to the game, not the community

[Rinhi]

whoever is reading this and thinks, "golly gee, this looks like a great idea", let me tell you:
please. do. not. ever. macro. combat. abilities.
you're shooting yourself in both kneecaps and break both your arms if you do
that's all

[Omedon]

whoever is reading this and thinks, "golly gee, this looks like a great idea", let me tell you:
please. do. not. ever. macro. combat. abilities.
you're shooting yourself in both kneecaps and break both your arms if you do
that's all

If you know your limit and play within it, as I have disclaimed, and structure your macros as a priority spam as opposed to “one press, multiple timed out abilities,” which I personally do not use, the corner of “one more line” is a perfectly viable one to cut within the bounds of “good enough is good enough.”

Source: The many compliments I’ve received tanking through the 60’s in FFXIV… including the group I saved from a terrible wipe.

[Kolaina]

Source: The many compliments I’ve received tanking through the 60’s in FFXIV… including the group I saved from a terrible wipe.

Oh I’d like to hear this big fish. A tank saving a party from a big wipe. Ive seen healers do this. Red mages. Bards back when they had healer lb3. But a tank who simply has to hit something with stance on… now thats a new one. What happened? Macro didn’t follow through, mobs went crazy and you had to hit 2 buttons?

[MaxCarnage]

Source: The many compliments I’ve received tanking through the 60’s in FFXIV…

I imagine it went something like this;

You: I'm new at tanking, sorry if I'm bad
Party at the end of run: You did fine.

It's not hard to be told you did fine as a tank. Have tank stance on and use at least 1 CD and that's already enough to warrant a, "eh, you're not the worst I've seen."

Most people who say they're new at the beginning of the dungeon get encouragement at the end in the form of, "you're fine" or "you did good". Doesn't make you a good player, it just means you made it to the end without the team quitting.

[Jijifli]

Source: The many compliments I’ve received tanking through the 60’s in FFXIV… including the group I saved from a terrible wipe.

Ah, the compliments for "doing a good job" by the great community in DF leveling dungeons? I'm sure our wonderful playerbase wouldn't just be saying that to encourage you to stick with tanking, rather than you actually doing a good job.

It's not like I've heard these empty compliments before. Like, say, to that SAM in Sirensong Sea who had level 50 gear and would be 1 shotted by any unavoidable mechanic, who was told they were doing fine, it was okay, through the entire dungeon. Surely that made it okay. Or the quite a number of cure 1 white mage's I kept getting, specially around Bardam's, who just couldn't keep up, who were told they were doing fine and great, even when we'd die, because they're doing healing, it's clearly not something they're doing wrong.

Heck a friend I got into the game this year told me about some confusion he had while leveling monk and samurai. He'd get frustrated and just do something else, but still be in the dungeon (so, leeching, something I scolded him on), but despite that, would receive compliments and commendations anyways. Literally. Doing. Nothing. Get. Compliment. Course, he could just be talking out of his bum, but given what I've seen (I've had plenty of leech defenders in my time), I wouldn't be too shocked.

So, no, the compliments don't make the macro's perfectly fine. You're still gimping yourself by using them on 99% of skills (The only skills they really do well on are tether buffs like dragon sight, and ground placers like salted earth, due to multiple clicks to use).

[SturmChurro]

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You know, thinking on it, when I've seen people say things along the lines of "good job", "you are doing fine", etc. it really is only directed towards players not doing either of those.

[Rein_eon_Osborne]

Ah, the compliments for "doing a good job" by the great community in DF leveling dungeons? I'm sure our wonderful playerbase wouldn't just be saying that to encourage you to stick with tanking, rather than you actually doing a good job.

You know, thinking on it, when I've seen people say things along the lines of "good job", "you are doing fine", etc. it really is only directed towards players not doing either of those.

Pretty much. Adding to this, whoever ask the "Am I doing fine/good?"-question has very likely probability of meeting an echo chamber. If you're a healer or tank that's doing their bare minimum effort? That's certainly almost 100% to get an echo chamber.

I do see those self-affirming question as an opportunity to slip in tips, subtly or not. I.e. "You're fine. We didn't wipe. But if it helps you, relying more onto <insert ability> will make your lives immensely easier!"

Works like a charm.