"Swift completion" is relative to the game, not the community

[Valkyrie_Lenneth]

I'm honestly befuddled by all the hostility towards someone who wants to leisurely enjoy their leisure time. I'm beginning to suspect the difference is generational. I remember being a kid and having to wait hours in line for a single ride at Disneyland. In contrast, when I took my kids, we picked up a fast pass that held our place until we were about 20 minutes out. It's disheartening to see the overwhelming majority of FFXIV forum goers upvoting tantrums over spending a few extra minutes in the dungeon. Thankfully, I don't see this as much in the game itself. If I did, I would be inclined to simply unsub and find something fun to do that doesn't entail someone shouting at me to hurry up.

I dunno man, back in my day everyone actually tried. You didn't tend to see people getting away with just getting carried through content.

It goes both ways lol.

There's a meme about tic tac toe that works pretty well here, but I'm too lazy to dig it up on mobile.

The "it's just a game" excuse is one that I really hate, because it's not just effecting you. It's effecting everyone else you are with.

[Omedon]

Well, after a thankfully low grand total of two bad experiences, (both healers in Shisui of the Violet Tides, which is oddly specific), I have leveled every tanking job to 70 or higher. 70-71 is the province of pixie dailies, and so I can confidently say that while thankfully my experience has been largely positive, a lot of this thread has more than convinced me to never, ever tank for live players (in a trinity compliant 4-person group or "non-MSQ-roulette" situation) ever again unless it's backfill for a group of friends.

Vocal segments of this community here on the forums have a real problem with taking their years of experience in the game for granted in their expectations of others that are just leveling an alt job whose role is one of either sudden burden of leadership (tank) or suddenly inheriting the fates of everyone's survival (healer). I don't care that deep dungeons are an option (that is in fact how I leveled my healers), what I've seen in this thread has been largely a disappointing underscore of the darkest side of an otherwise amazing community: In creating such an arms-open community image, you have perverted the sense of communal neighborliness into a "home owner's society" of expectations of extreme, overt "care" for "everyone else before the self."

My tanking pace is fine, so sayeth far more players in groups than there were voices on this forum thread. The healer that can't handle multi-pulls (I had one last night while leveling MCH, bless her heart) is not bad at the game. Your expectations of other people adapting to the GOGOGOdancers among you are skewed, unwelcoming, and I wouldn't be at all surprised if this was part of the reason trusts exists because trusts are a solution to a problem WoW has too: As superior as FFXIV's community vibe is overall, the community's treatment of a new or less experienced player is in fact a major variable that the devs cannot control, and this thread is clearly indicative of the fact that so many of you can't be trusted to be "a feature and not a bug." Thank goodness for AI scions!

I prize the quiet "I'm not touching this discussion" likes on the more reasonable posts in this thread far more than all the discouraging, disappointing remarks that seem to demand we constantly improve "just in case I have to play with you." I have most jobs to 70 or higher (waiting for the extended armory bonus in EW to go further), 3 jobs at 80, and I can honestly say when it comes to "performance level" that there is a hard plateau in the give-a-damn spectrum that is literally, intentionally, objectively "good enough," and that bar is far, far lower than many here would have us stop "improving"... well guess what: good enough is good enough. This whole thread was about leveling content, and good enough is good enough. Yes, even on YOUR time. Shame on any of you taking your later game content standards and applying them here.

To those in this thread who were more representative of the majority I met in my "tanking through the 60's" journey, the chill, the kind, and the "go at your pace" players, the people for whom I made a macro thanking most groups for not being abusive: you have preserved my faith in this game's community. Thank you for having the courage to gainsay the angry mob of "but you need to play better because I have standards and my time is precious!!"

I come away from this thread glad that it's not the game, and will smile when we meet the closedminded "forum" of old Sharlayan, as I wonder how intentional that wordplay is.

See you in a few trials every couple years, or in the MSQ roulette. I'll be DPSing. With my priority macro rotation that I have for almost every job.

[Kolaina]

With my priority macro rotation that I have for almost every job.

Lol
/10 chars

[BaconBits]

Snippity.

The less moral grandstanding I have to see on this board, the better.

[nebby00]

snip

[Xirean]

Wait you use macros for combat abilities? HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA everything about this thread suddenly makes so much more sense.

[Kolaina]

With my priority macro rotation that I have for almost every job.

I’ll elaborate beyond laughing at this. I post on an alt character because i have controversial views compared to the bleeding hearts on these forums. Ive seen people call for the mass reporting of someone in eureka for pulling a notorious monster 5 minutes after it spawned simply for not waiting for that individual. So i protect myself from those people. Those who target and attempt to ban or harass. However. I now know what kind of player you are. Refuse to try. Don’t want to get better. A macro player. You can bet you won’t go passed the 5 minute limit in a duty with me. I play with the power of vote. I don’t like to use it. But if you’re going to hold me back, and “play” (if you want to call macroing playing) with the attitude of your leisure and laziness > my time and enjoyment, well bud, your gone.

[MaxCarnage]

See you in a few trials every couple years, or in the MSQ roulette. I'll be DPSing. With my priority macro rotation that I have for almost every job.

You'll get an instant vote-kick from me too LOL

[xbahax92]

Good that we don't share the same data center.

[Kaoru_Nagisa]

I don't care that deep dungeons are an option (that is in fact how I leveled my healers)

You were repeatedly given a very easy way to level in the 61~71 range, one where no expectations exist beyond "pop the portal open quickly", where you barely have to communicate with your party much less meet a bare minimum standard of gameplay that you should know by that level... and yet you instead wanted to inflict yourself on DF, despite your proclaimed problems with it, because.. why, exactly?

Moral grandstanding? Intentionally wanting to grief people because god forbid you're expected to know some bare basics and meet basic gameplay standards at that level range?

You're honestly sad. You would rather grief people than take an option that 100% seemed more suited to your personal form of selfish playstyle, and then you come in here insulting people telling you how backwards that thinking is just because we don't fit into some weird idea you types get in your heads about how "nice" and "welcoming" this community is.

Stick to single player games if that's the attitude you're going to carry in MMOs.