"Swift completion" is relative to the game, not the community

[Rinhi]

I still find it tricky tho, because how does one come to the conclusion someone is just really not even trying? Not so great play doesn’t automically imply that. It can but there may be perfectly understandable reasons. And while I understand your point with Illmaeran, I also understand if someone doesn’t want to state at the start of each run: this is my issue. In a way a videogame is also an escape from rl issues, or it may feel like asking for a pity carry each time.

there's various ways, the obvious one being obviously a parser but we can ignore that for a moment
for healers, it's easy to see: do they spam medica 2, cure 2 and regen and nothing else? most likely bad habits reinforced by other players
do they stand around and do nothing between healing the tank whenever said tank takes 5% damage, do no damage aside from maybe a DoT every 5 minutes? not trying
standing AFK during alliance raids aside from an AOE regen heal every so often? not trying
tanks would be the obvious single pulling no cooldown using ones, still undecided if tanks who single target mobs in groups of 3-6 enemies aren't trying or don't know any better
dps would be the obvious, bottom of the emnity meter, buffs and standout/visible abilities never used, melee not doing positionals at all, casters casting the wrong spells over and over and over even if you give them advice

I’d cry a bit on the inside if another whm only used Medica II, I really would haha. All these beautiful, amazing abilities… And I’m not denying you, and others who look at this the same way, are fully justified in it at times. But sometimes these discussions feel like a lot of people who don’t play optimally would be looked at that way. And I think that would not be fair on both sides tbh, it would paint both sides in too dark a light and not do anyone justice.

I disagree here and I'll even go as far and argue that the 'other side' is painting 'this side' as the 'if you don't play optimally and never ever frick up, you're bad' kind of players because many of them don't have proper counter arguments to 'this side' wanting players to put in a little bit of effort and get better
like, I've been painted as an elitist raider on this forum even though I've never touched savage in my life and have only done 3 extremes unsynced - and only did okay on one while I was getting carried hard in the other two - I'm casual as frick