"Swift completion" is relative to the game, not the community

[Valkyrie_Lenneth]

Thank you for your answer Kolaina, and I do get your point. I think you may have experienced more (rightful) annoyance than I, simply because if I can’t be arsed to deal with the unpredictability of strangers I’ll stay far away from group content, and only sign up for it when I feel I can handle anything thrown my way lightheartedly

I still find it tricky tho, because how does one come to the conclusion someone is just really not even trying? Not so great play doesn’t automically imply that. It can but there may be perfectly understandable reasons. And while I understand your point with Illmaeran, I also understand if someone doesn’t want to state at the start of each run: this is my issue. In a way a videogame is also an escape from rl issues, or it may feel like asking for a pity carry each time.

I’d cry a bit on the inside if another whm only used Medica II, I really would haha. All these beautiful, amazing abilities… And I’m not denying you, and others who look at this the same way, are fully justified in it at times. But sometimes these discussions feel like a lot of people who don’t play optimally would be looked at that way. And I think that would not be fair on both sides tbh, it would paint both sides in too dark a light and not do anyone justice.

Because there is a big difference between 25% total group damage and 10%.

As a dps, if you are doing less than a quarter of the dps in a 4 man group, you aren't trying. You aren't even attempting to push buttons in any kind of reasonable manner.

I have been playing for 8 years, and I've leveled every job to 80. I can tell when people aren't trying. Can I tell if someone is doing a proper opener and rotation on every job? Of course not. But I can tell when a nin doesn't have huton, or a blm4 doesn't use fire, or a smn doesn't use their summons, etc, etc