"Swift completion" is relative to the game, not the community

[Valkyrie_Lenneth]

My fault for editing this in while you were responding, so I’ll repeat it here:

So for those healers that do crack the whip... no, this works. And the whip-cracking healer might be overconfident and still wipe us.

The "swift completion time" you keep basing yourself off of hasn't been updated since it was added in 2.0, when runs were expected to take 40 minutes or so because no one was geared and everyone was new.

Dungeons have a timer of 90 minutes, I've timed out in aurum vale before, in 2.0. Ive timed out in amdapor keep.


That was 8 years ago. Much has changed since then.

You are basing your performance off an 8 year old, under geared, lack of knowledge metric.

Of course you are beating that metric. If you weren't, something would be very, very wrong.

[Aiscence]

You can do some dungeons like anti tower or matoya in like less than 15 min nowadays, and god bless I sometimes forgot I'm a healer even with big pulls, there's nothing to heal

[MiaShino]

Me and friends have wall pulled with the grand company squad many many times with no issues.

It is most startling just how much damage they can do when all have offensive tactics maxed. Tis 60% damage boost if am remembering correctly.

[LittleImp]

This was the first xpac I got every job to cap for the amaro and learned tanks are just dps tha can survive getting punched longer. What is it about tanking that scares everyone? Does running slightly ahead of the others really tie your stomach in knots?

With the amount of "Bad is ackshully good and good is ackshully bad" going on in this thread, I'm starting to think it's just the same form of ego-preserving contrarianism that you frequently see in other areas of this games community. You never have to admit to incompetence if you simply create your own arbitrary standards for what 'good' is.

These kinds of arguments of "I'm actually saving time by not causing wipes" and "I'm making my healer happy" are hilarious to anyone who seriously tanks or heals in this game. Wipes in dungeons due to double pulling are insanely rare and usually the result of someone flat out disconnecting. Some tank jobs can even do double pulls without a healer. With W2W wipes are still so rare that the time saved far outweighs any time spent on the occasional wipe. Any decent healer will find single pulls frustrating, as they don't get to engage with 90% of their kit.

If someone is finding that they constantly wipe to double pulls or w2w pulls as a tank or healer, they should examine their own play instead of trying to offload blame onto third parties, or engage in fantasies about how playing badly actually makes them a good player.

[Payadopa]

Just don't listen to the people here.
The reality is that most people are nice and they usually don't care about the speed. It's just the vocal minority here.

Here everyone is a God-tier raider with a purple parse, 5 wives, 11 children and 3 jobs so they only have 11,5 minutes for a dungeon. lol

[BaconBits]

Just don't listen to the people here.
The reality is that most people are nice and they usually don't care about the speed. It's just the vocal minority here.

Here everyone is a God-tier raider with a purple parse, 5 wives, 11 children and 3 jobs so they only have 11,5 minutes for a dungeon. lol

Careful with that straw, you don't want to start a fire now do you?

[Payadopa]

Careful with that straw, you don't want to start a fire now do you?

Yeah, yeah. Something, something echo chamber.

As I said before, the actual community is really nice. I wouldn't worry about the occasional bad apple.

[Izscha]

Here everyone is a God-tier raider with a purple parse

Only purple ? Damn peasants.

[Kolaina]

Yeah, yeah. Something, something echo chamber.

As I said before, the actual community is really nice. I wouldn't worry about the occasional bad apple.

Yea thankfully I only run into the odd bad apple as you put it that doesn’t care about how much of everyone else’s time they are wasting. The community as a whole is decent about trying to get things done so others can continue on with their next goal

[Rinhi]

Just don't listen to the people here.
The reality is that most people are nice and they usually don't care about the speed. It's just the vocal minority here.

Here everyone is a God-tier raider with a purple parse, 5 wives, 11 children and 3 jobs so they only have 11,5 minutes for a dungeon. lol

seems like you're envious of those competent players that value their time