"Swift completion" is relative to the game, not the community

[Izscha]

I mean, I have high levels of anxiety around new people, I am quiet, the typical "book reading nerd who only has a few friends and gets bullied", yet I have very few issues in DF, or with tanking.

I'm sure it varies from person to person, but I've never really had issues in mmos outside of having to recruit for savage statics, or apply for them. Those are anxiety inducing to me, but I've mostly had good experiences.

Yeah that's what i say, i dont not put the blame on those people they have a condition they deal with it but like if you have a phobia or anything related to people it comes from you, you know that already so why say that everyone else is the problem ?
That's the thing that bugged me in the initial message.

[nebby00]

If I may, considering there is a lack of squadrons/trusts from 61- 70, do HoH. That's the only content that you can either run solo or in a group that doesn't really require pulling any group of mobs at a time and you can go at your own pace if you go in solo.. I personally am of the opinion that once you hit 61 - 80, you should be wall to wall pulling in group content because at that point you should be comfortable enough in your role to do so. If not, then the alternative is to do leveling on your own and avoid other people which is perfectly fine, but I personally do not like it when I get a single pull tank in any of my groups past HW content because I have an expectation at that point that you know how to pull multiple mobs at once since you've had an ample amount of time to get used to tanking by that point. Plus, I do like when tanks pull big and all the big numbers show up when doing AoEs, gives me a good rush of dopamine! ^.^

[Elladie]

@Kolaina

Wow, snap judgements much lol.

I don't like duty finder because I'm an old old lady who remembers when people in MMOs had to work together and treat each other well because the only folks they could party with were on their server. If they got a reputation as a dick, no one would play with them. DF makes it much easier to treat people badly and get away with it.

I'm lucky I don't need to put up with the drama and bad behaviour I've seen in DF because I have enough friends and FC mates to run content with.

No phobias, just prefer to have fun and chill with my friends. We don't do drama when we run roulette. Sometimes we go slow. Sometimes we do stupid big pulls - yes Mt Gulg, looking at you. But it has become clear to us over the eleven years we have played this game that it grows increasingly more pleasant to stick to our own little group than try to interact with strangers. It makes us sad that it's so, but that is our experience.

It bothers me too that you find it necessary to belittle me and my point - that the duty finder can be toxic for some people - by making personal attacks. If you're that concerned about my state of mind, why don't you try and be a bit more sympathetic about this 'phobia' I supposedly have? I imagine that if I did have a genuine problem in that area and somehow found the courage to speak up, your words would have been very cruel and vicious

[Rinhi]

Prove what point? They presented counter arguments.

I disagreed, ergo I'm bad

[Kaoru_Nagisa]

The AI parties are then capable of multiple pulls.

Just because you don't value your time doesn't mean others also don't.

Echoing this as someone who has moved over to exclusively doing Trusts for 4-man stuff simply because of how absolutely horrendous the average skill level of players has gotten across the board - and how many people coddle, enable, and grief alongside these same underperformers who refuse to even consider the fact they're playing with other people in a team-oriented game, and thus never make attempts to improve. Any advice given for such improvement is met with far more toxicity and tantrums than I've ever seen a "toxic elitist" throw at people.

Thancred can handle big pulls more easily than half the tanks I see lately, and Alphinaud can heal through them just as easily despite having a butchered SCH setup. They don't AoE but that doesn't "necessitate" single baby pulls, that's still a personal player choice.

If an extremely simple AI program can manage big pulls with minimal issue despite barely even using cooldowns let alone AoE, then there's really no excuse for a player to claim they're incapable of doing the same with far more utility at their disposal.

Get better.

[Kolaina]

It bothers me too that you find it necessary to belittle me and my point

You said you and your friends avoid df because its toxic. That would insinuate its more wide spread than the odd isolated incident here and there. But I’m belittling? No. You just have this belief things are worse than they are. Refraining from participating with the df community while simultaneously staying in your echo chamber, does nothing to heal your previous experience and fix any misconceptions you have about the df community

[SturmChurro]

Is this another tank pulling thread?

[nebby00]

Is this another tank pulling thread?

Yep. Unfortunately it is.

[Artemiz]

I don't have expectations.

Maybe not, but this isn't a single player game and the rest of the party probably does. I'm not advocating being an ass, just pointing out that if you play in multi-player content you need to consider others as well. For the record, I always ask at the beginning of content what people want, if the healer wants small pulls they get small pulls, most don't though.

I see you mention that you're old school MMO, well that makes two of us. Back in the glory days when everyone knew everybody what happened to players who couldn't keep up? They got left out, that's what. Expecting everyone else to play at a pace that's much too slow for them is just as bad as expecting everyone to clear in 12 minutes, it's just the opposite end of the horseshoe. If DF content is a problem because people generally think you're slow then buckle up and get your arse in gear, if you're frustrated that it takes too long all the time then chill out. It's the same problem, but from a different perspective. The vast majority of players get along fine in the middle ground, that I would argue, is the expectation.

The tanks role is to pull at a pace that keeps everyone happy, if that's a bit much, for whatever reason, then just play as a DPS. Tanking isn't for everyone and that's ok.

[MaxCarnage]

What I don't do is treat someone badly because they're not as good as I am at something. Or even just not good at the thing at all. If I behaved like that in my job, I'd soon find myself without a job. How much more then, should I behave like a decent human being in a game?

Except this isn't a job. There's no professional courtesy here.