"Swift completion" is relative to the game, not the community

[Rinhi]

What's up with these 'tank pull thingy'-thread that kept brought up in past few days?

maybe players are finally realizing how easy tanking 95% of the dungeons are :O
god I hope so

[aveyond-dreams]

One was a noobie tank running Ghimlyt Dark for the first time; he acknowledged he had stuff to learn still about both role and dungeon, but there was no excuse for the discourtesy he was shown.

Ghimlyt Dark is a level 70 dungeon. By level 70 it is expected for a tank to know how to pull at a decent pace and use cooldowns. If the tank cannot do this by level 70, they need to spend some time in the Hall of the Novice instead.

[Elladie]

Ghimlyt Dark is a level 70 dungeon. By level 70 it is expected for a tank to know how to pull at a decent pace and use cooldowns. If the tank cannot do this by level 70, they need to spend some time in the Hall of the Novice instead.

I have healed in FC runs he has tanked, he was competent but cautious. It was his first run of Ghimlyt Dark, and he wished to pull more slowly while he got a feel for the dungeon. A considerate person would have encouraged him to pull a little more, and then a little more than that, and tried to help him build confidence. Had it not been his first run, he would not have felt so tentative. As it was he was insulted and told to quit playing, which he did. This does not make me proud to be a member of this community. In fact whatever it is in the duty roulette, it's definitely not a community. More of an 'eat or get eaten' jungle

[Rinhi]

Unfortunately I find most regular contributors to the forums don't recognise how toxic an environment the duty finder is for a lot of people. I have levelled all my jobs via squadrons and trusts, quests, fates, challenge logs etc. The only time I set foot in the duty finder is with a ready-made group; since I'm lucky enough to have a great FC full of good friends, that's more often than it would otherwise be. And - of course this will be described as anecdotal - all of these people loathe the duty finder and consider it toxic. Some of them are casual players, some are raiders, so they range across the spectrum.

"It's toxic because I (probably) had a few bad experiences with it and thus generalise my experience onto the rest of the community and call the whole thing toxic even though I don't use it at all lol"
Ok lmao
my FC friends, anecdotal as their (and my) experience is, would call it toxic in a way too, but not the way you meant: in DF you usually find people coddling and excusing legitimately bad players who are getting carried through content they should not be able to clear

We have lost lovely people from the FC who have quit the game after runs where they were abused and vilified by other members of their random group. One was a noobie tank running Ghimlyt Dark for the first time; he acknowledged he had stuff to learn still about both role and dungeon, but there was no excuse for the discourtesy he was shown. He has returned briefly since but never stays long because he finds roulette too stressful now; we aren't always available to go with him as we have varying play times. It makes me both sad and uncomfortable that people in this community could be so unpleasant. It also makes me sad that all of the people I know who play the game refuse to use the duty finder because they've all witnessed toxic behaviour in there.

GD mobs hit like a wet noodle unless they're the bosses and it's a level 70 dungeon; there is nothing to learn about the dungeon nor about the role, even if he picked GNB as his first tank.
he played enough dungeons and trials to see most, if not all the mechanics the games offers up to you, he must've played GNB for 10 levels at the very least AND must have played a class to 60 to even unlock it, players really should at least know the basics of every role after (probably) spending hundreds of hours in the game at this point

All of the responses I've read so far, OP, haven't surprised me. Let's hope that you make it past level 70 with everything, and then you can just run with Trusts and/or your friends. I've only replied here since you're unlikely to get many others who offer you a kind word, and I'm going to duck my head back down below the parapet now and head over to the Lore section (that's where the nice, chilled folks hang out)

that's pretty toxic and presumptuous of you to say, generalising the people who post in here as unkind and toxic people

I have healed in FC runs he has tanked, he was competent but cautious. It was his first run of Ghimlyt Dark, and he wished to pull more slowly while he got a feel for the dungeon. A considerate person would have encouraged him to pull a little more, and then a little more than that, and tried to help him build confidence. Had it not been his first run, he would not have felt so tentative. As it was he was insulted and told to quit playing, which he did. This does not make me proud to be a member of this community. In fact whatever it is in the duty roulette, it's definitely not a community. More of an 'eat or get eaten' jungle

but there's absolutely nothing to pull in that dungeon...?
it's 2 sets of mobs before you hit the first wall, 2 more sets until you get to the boss, then there's 3 sets of mobs in a hallway towards the boss and then it's the 2+2 from the beginning again
it's not amdapor where you can pull the whole dungeon into the first boss, or bardam/doma where you can easily pull too much
it's basically impossible to pull too much in level cap dungeons unless the healer doesn't know how to play their role, but then you should rather kick the healer rather than do single pulls if they can't even keep you alive during those dungeons /shrug

[Equitable_Remedy]

Shot

I have been "the community tank" among my circle of friends in multiple games (not just WoW) since before FFXIV launched.

I have, according to everyone I know personally who have opinions (that aren't always peachy) on such things, great instincts as a tank.

I pull in a way that keeps the party moving, and mitigate regularly to make everyone's lives less stressful.

I don't say this to toot my horn, I say this for context to launch into my core point.

Chaser

I absolutely do not pull wall to wall

This math just doesn't add up.

[Elladie]

"It's toxic because I (probably) had a few bad experiences with it and thus generalise my experience onto the rest of the community and call the whole thing toxic even though I don't use it at all lol"
Ok lmao
my FC friends, anecdotal as their (and my) experience is, would call it toxic in a way too, but not the way you meant: in DF you usually find people coddling and excusing legitimately bad players who are getting carried through content they should not be able to clear



GD mobs hit like a wet noodle unless they're the bosses and it's a level 70 dungeon; there is nothing to learn about the dungeon nor about the role, even if he picked GNB as his first tank.
he played enough dungeons and trials to see most, if not all the mechanics the games offers up to you, he must've played GNB for 10 levels at the very least AND must have played a class to 60 to even unlock it, players really should at least know the basics of every role after (probably) spending hundreds of hours in the game at this point



that's pretty toxic and presumptuous of you to say, generalising the people who post in here as unkind and toxic people



but there's absolutely nothing to pull in that dungeon...?
it's 2 sets of mobs before you hit the first wall, 2 more sets until you get to the boss, then there's 3 sets of mobs in a hallway towards the boss and then it's the 2+2 from the beginning again
it's not amdapor where you can pull the whole dungeon into the first boss, or bardam/doma where you can easily pull too much
it's basically impossible to pull too much in level cap dungeons unless the healer doesn't know how to play their role, but then you should rather kick the healer rather than do single pulls if they can't even keep you alive during those dungeons /shrug

I love it when people prove my point for me.

As I said, OP, you are most likely wasting your breath. Avoiding the duty finder is good for your health and your peace of mind; if all the 'go, go, go' people only played with their friends and FC mates, they'd probably be much better tempered too

[Dewslam]

And it's never ok to waste 10+ more min because someone think that things must go his way no matter what.

This goes both ways though. A lot of people throw tantrums using this exact phrasing; but don't realize they can't be the ones who get to dictate everything themselves either. If one person wants to go fast and one person wants to go slow; it's up to the group as a whole to decide the pace not the tank being obstinate and refusing to move past one pull or the healer rushing ahead and pulling everything like a brat. And unfortunately as frustrating as it is to deal with a slow group: one person trying to force the group to move faster than they want to can ruin things a lot more than one who wants to move slower. I've seen far too many wipes come from impatient people who kept trying to force players to move at speeds they weren't ready for and couldn't handle yet because the players will still learning their tools. This game's community has this weird mentality of "because I've done this content a lot and personally don't have a problem with it, then everyone else should always be on my level!" So you get people doing some of the most obnoxious things while screaming that it's unfair to ask them to slow down for three seconds because they've done this content so much they're tired of it and just want it over with.

These days I infinitely prefer to get tossed into a roulette full of sprouts over one full of veteran players because you can teach a newbie sprout how to play the game better if they're bad, how to learn mechanics and how to run a dungeon. In my personal experience - it's very rare to find a sprout, that isn't an alt at least, who acts like a complete tool. At worst you get nervous players who won't admit this is their first time and they don't know what to do because they're afraid of being yelled at that they should have watched a youtube video first. And I'd rather wipe and see people learn, than wipe because the tank was like "lmao I was bored because I've done so much so I decided to do this naked and spin the boss in circles, it's fun".

[Lexis]

Another day, another pointless thread about dungeon speed :/ Just pull at whatever pace you want and be done with this tired argument. Whatever consequences your chosen pace have in-game are for you to handle, not for a bunch of strangers to debate on your behalf.

Apologies if this sounds harsh, but it's just getting old now.

[Alxyzntlct]

I love it when people prove my point for me.

As I said, OP, you are most likely wasting your breath.

I agree with you, Elladie; it is rather unfortunate how most of the folks that frequent this forum tend to enforce the negative stereotypes that so many folks are seeking to avoid. Conversely, as I've seen some folks mention in other threads, thankfully the majority of the time people in the game itself are really nice. It's rare when I see someone that just makes me hard-cringe and leave a run rather than deal with that kind of nasty attitude.

So, yeah OP, there are folks that definitely agree with you, although you'll mostly see folks like that in the game and not here in the forums (as evidenced by this thread). I'd strongly recommend doing what a lot of us do, which is to simply to ignore them.

[Xirean]

I love it when people prove my point for me.

As I said, OP, you are most likely wasting your breath. Avoiding the duty finder is good for your health and your peace of mind; if all the 'go, go, go' people only played with their friends and FC mates, they'd probably be much better tempered too

Prove what point? They presented counter arguments.