Quote Originally Posted by Avidria View Post
Or they're like me and just wanted to get through it and be done, and were one wipe away from straight up just leaving the group. Or they did say something, and got ignored, which I've also seen happen.

I've gotten to the point where I expect pug groups to be average to mediocre at best, and keep my expectations low, so I can put up with a lot of godawful play. Commenting, in my experience, isn't always worth it and doesn't always help, and I just generally don't care enough to speak up anymore unless things get absolutely ridiculous levels of bad. Doesn't mean the run was "good" though : p
Using my Mt Gulg example, most tanks if we wipe will see the party can't handle the big pull and they'll voluntarily dial it back. I'm as chill in DF as someone can be but I'll speak up if they don't and suggest we go smaller. In the situation where we wiped three times, I told them let's split this one up so we can get through it and we can try again on the next one. When the next big pull didn't go so well, we started taking it a bit smaller and things went a lot smoother. I think too many people take it personally if they can't manage a big pull and think it's some sort of personal failing, but it's not. That particular collection of people can't manage it for whatever reason and there's no shame in that.

I've had tanks say they were drunk or high and they weren't gonna try to big pull, and I was pretty thankful for that. Fun runs because they were a hoot even on small pulls.