"Swift completion" is relative to the game, not the community

[Kolaina]

Fair point, healers who can barely handle 3 mobs are rare but they do exist, and what you do in regards to that kind of depends on the dungeon itself and also on what tank you're playing

My point was more that it's up to the tank to assess the healer and guesstimate how much they can handle, and pull at that level to make the run as fast as possible while also not causing any wipes

If a healer can’t handle 3 mobs, they need to stop. Figure out why. Bad gear? Don’t know their class? Fix it before they go back to healing

[DeaconMoore]

I'm so confused. Op tanks in all the games for his friends, yet waits 'till trusts in FFXIV before stepping out and tanking DF runs and complaining about pacing?

G8 b8 m8?

[Anya_Synia]

As long as I can use my aoes as a dps I dont mind the pace. However if you are only pulling one group at a time and I'm doing more damage with my single target attacks then something is wrong. You are not using your dps to their full potential.

[Kolaina]

That's great then. Glad we're on the same page. So presumably you will be sympathetic and encouraging next time you get a tank who's pulling a bit slower than you prefer, right. Try and coax them into pulling more and improving their skills yeah. Instead of telling them to 'do it or else' like these (apparently mostly imaginary) toxic people do?

As a bit more clarification, there is just as much toxicity (in my experience) on the other side. I'm all for balance, but I'd much prefer we tried to err on the side of courtesy. When another player tries to give polite and helpful advice, 'you don't pay my sub' is not an acceptable response.

I'm not sure why asking people to be respectful of each other causes such a backlash. It's very sad

It’s a simple “more plz” from me with a few jumps in the direction of continuing forward. I generally don’t have a keyboard in front of me. Not everything needs a demanding tone or a trolly way of forcing them.
If they don’t, I’ll begrudgingly get up, grab my keyboard and explain it’s not worth me holying 2 or 3 mobs and I’ll keep them alive if they pull bigger.
As for your toxicity comment, yes I experience that constantly. Can’t try to give anyone a hand. As soon as you suggest they aren’t doing something correctly, people get all out of sorts. Get called toxic all the time or accused of harassing them. Over trivial things. Had a tank try and kick me in the latest nier raid for asking them to turn Hansels exposed side towards middle so I could assize. Asking to allow me to heal without taking damage was enough to set this guy off. But I brushed him off and he left, taking the penalty.
I’m of the mindset that at the end of the day, none of these people matter. So it’s a bad run. There will be many good or uneventful ones that over shadow that rare bad experience

[Endariel]

You can handle normal pulls with 3 members (2dps + tank or 2dps + heal)
so what's the point of a fourth member and a third role if not to wall to wall

[Aelin_Ashryver]

The healer is the one with an issue becuase your single pulls mean we are stuck using one skill the entire run because you take barely any damage worth healing. So they get a very very boring run thanks to your pacing.
If you are content going at slow npc speed, stick to trust honestly. Healers should not be rude about it but it wouldnt kill you to double pull so the healer is not wanting to shoot themselves.

[Omedon]

The healer is the one with an issue becuase your single pulls mean we are stuck using one skill the entire run because you take barely any damage worth healing. So they get a very very boring run thanks to your pacing.
If you are content going at slow npc speed, stick to trust honestly. Healers should not be rude about it but it wouldnt kill you to double pull so the healer is not wanting to shoot themselves.

Two things:

1) A bored healer is a good tank's greatest compliment. My giving you as "free" a ride as possible is a gift I strive to give, in thanks for playing the most stressful role and moving the queue along!

2) Again, if there were trusts in the 60's, I'd already be in the clear of never ever queueing to play with live players. Trust me (get it?!) in another 11 total job levels, y'all will almost certainly never see me tanking for you ever again!

[Kaoru_Nagisa]

Two things:

1) A bored healer is a good tank's greatest compliment. My giving you as "free" a ride as possible is a gift I strive to give, in thanks for playing the most stressful role and moving the queue along!

2) Again, if there were trusts in the 60's, I'd already be in the clear of never ever queueing to play with live players. Trust me (get it?!) in another 11 total job levels, y'all will almost certainly never see me tanking for you ever again!

1) No healer wants to be bored out of their mind in a slow roulette where they're spamming one button over and over again, without doing their primary job function (as it's not needed). You are giving no one a "free ride" or a "gift". Get over that mindset, it makes you come off incredibly egotistical.

2) Do HoH. No one cares about pull sizes in a place with no structure to it beyond "kill enough stuff to pop the portal open to the next floor". Do not inflict yourself on DF queues if you refuse to adhere to the expectation of double/big pulls past level 55.

[LittleImp]

1) A bored healer is a good tank's greatest compliment. My giving you as "free" a ride as possible is a gift I strive to give, in thanks for playing the most stressful role and moving the queue along!

Fortunately, virtually no-one in this game shares your contrived personal standards for what a good tank is.

2) Again, if there were trusts in the 60's, I'd already be in the clear of never ever queueing to play with live players. Trust me (get it?!) in another 11 total job levels, y'all will almost certainly never see me tanking for you ever again!

It's sad that you choose this path instead of simply learning to work as a team-member and play the game at a quasi-functional level. It literally only takes a handful of button inputs; it's just not worth handicapping yourself this hard over minor emotional quibbles.

[aveyond-dreams]

1) A bored healer is a good tank's greatest compliment. My giving you as "free" a ride as possible is a gift I strive to give, in thanks for playing the most stressful role and moving the queue along!

I have levelled every healer multiple times across various characters and the absolute last thing in the world I want to be is "bored" in a dungeon and only spamming the same 3 damage spells over and over again. The price of your "free" ride is a run that takes 30 or 40 minutes instead of 15.

"Most stressful role." Please.