The Problems With Ninja In Endwalker

[0Lime]

Look, I get it - Raiju is new and scary. When I first got it, I hated it precisely because it works differently that 80 ShB NIN worked, but that was because I was trying to use it like 80 ShB NIN. Once I let go of 80 ShB NIN and started playing 90 EW NIN, it felt much better.

I have been converted, my friends. I have seen the light(ning).

I've been a NIN main since their release in 2.4, I've seen us change throughout the expansions and the rework in shadowbringers. I've seen us lose mutilate and dancing edge. Getting a not-leylines with TCJ and seeing our mudras get put on the GCD. It's not about chidori being new and scary. It's about chidori feeling jank to use. I'm sure there's plenty of people out there who have played NIN since 2.4 and love the chidori, but hand waving it wont solve everyone's issues.

[manbearpig628]

I personally do not like the changes to ninja. I picked it up during the shb rework and it quickly became my favorite job. I just don't think raijus are fun and that they make your trick windows feel insignificant. They're also very clunky and restrictive. If I wanted to spam fell cleave I'd play war lol.

[Kiteless]

Some of the more recent comments have been encouraging enough to put me back on track to trying NIN in Endwalker after originally planning to shelf it, but there's still a few things that I just don't get. I've just started levelling it, but some things already stick out.

Mainly, Phantom Kamaitachi just feels like a complete waste of a skill. At least with the Raiju's it looks like Square was trying for something. Kamaitachi looks like a completely negligible gain. Some quick math looks like you'd end up with you possibly gaining around 130 potency over 90 seconds (although potentially losing 5 ninki to do so). That just seems so worthless, and a waste of a skill slot. Am I missing something here?

[Noraiga]

Just hit lvl90 aaaand... I like and dislike Raiju, my only BIG issue with it is clearly the impossibility to use any weaponskill !!
Also DEV TEAM pleaaaaase enhance the damn SOUND EFFECT ! Raiju doesn't sound impactful at all... Nor Bavakhacra, i never said anything about Bava when first introduce but man some job sound effect are really bad.

Dev team please = Bava + Raiju => enhance sound effect, Raiju => possibility to use any weaponskill ;

Thanks you by advance, hoping you do so !!

Yes Kamaitachi feel pretty clunky to use.

[Jaygue]

500% agree with your first posts and the last about the potencies and the buff about raiju. I love ninja but without buff...i will change my main i think

[Shut]

This is ridiculous.
Throwing daggers during a burst window to bypass clunky gameplay?
Or alternatively, using PK which align with burst window every 3 minutes?
While every raid buffs are now aligned to 60/120 secs? While everyone else can go ham on boss simply because... they can stay at max melee range and aren't animation locked?

And I'm not talking about current Ex trials, there are much more fight with tighter DPS checks and movement requirement out there, and there will be more.
Having Raiju not breaking on melee weapon skills would fix a bunch of the issues NIN currently have, but I'm not sure if the devs will do it soon enough given they're current preoccupation is to fix HN not counting as a melee weaponskill.

I've seen all changes done to my main since 2.4, some I loathed and some I greatly enjoyed. But yeah, I'm probably unreasonnably scared because it's new.


NIN: What's my purpose?
Group: You use Trick Attack.
NIN: OMG...

[Raidoser]

This is ridiculous.
Throwing daggers during a burst window to bypass clunky gameplay?
Or alternatively, using PK which align with burst window every 3 minutes?
While every raid buffs are now aligned to 60/120 secs? While everyone else can go ham on boss simply because... they can stay at max melee range and aren't animation locked?

And I'm not talking about current Ex trials, there are much more fight with tighter DPS checks and movement requirement out there, and there will be more.
Having Raiju not breaking on melee weapon skills would fix a bunch of the issues NIN currently have, but I'm not sure if the devs will do it soon enough given they're current preoccupation is to fix HN not counting as a melee weaponskill.

I've seen all changes done to my main since 2.4, some I loathed and some I greatly enjoyed. But yeah, I'm probably unreasonnably scared because it's new.


NIN: What's my purpose?
Group: You use Trick Attack.
NIN: OMG...

There is a Pov of a NIN doing Hydaelyn Ex, he didn't die, delay his burst or needed to use throwing dagger, so if someone can do it others can too.
For Zodiark yes it is annoying with the 8 sec bind who come regulary.

You don't like Raijin you can, everyone can have his opinion but don't use bad arguments like :

- Can't delay raiju or i lose the stack : that's false you can use Phantom kaimaichi or throwing dagger, the better you get with your position the less you will need to do that (depend of the tank also).
- Super hard animation lock : that's false.

Nin was the third i leveled because of all those lies, because yes if you truly couldn't use any skill while holding raiju and the animation lock was long i would also scream about it because that would be the opposite of what a NIN is and why i play Nin.

[Fourbestintoner]

My actual opinion of raiju is that it being a gcd or breaking 1-2-3 is actually perfectly fine, but that it should not take you out of max melee, it should stay a gap closer, but it shouldn't make you jump inside the asshole of the bosses, especially since like promise every single mechanics has been *stand at max melee to not eat shit*.

[Shut]

There is a Pov of a NIN doing Hydaelyn Ex, he didn't die, delay his burst or needed to use throwing dagger, so if someone can do it others can too.
For Zodiark yes it is annoying with the 8 sec bind who come regulary.

You don't like Raijin you can, everyone can have his opinion but don't use bad arguments like :

- Can't delay raiju or i lose the stack : that's false you can use Phantom kaimaichi or throwing dagger, the better you get with your position the less you will need to do that (depend of the tank also).
- Super hard animation lock : that's false.

Nin was the third i leveled because of all those lies, because yes if you truly couldn't use any skill while holding raiju and the animation lock was long i would also scream about it because that would be the opposite of what a NIN is and why i play Nin.

I'm not sure what you've actually read through my post.

I'm not saying "options" don't exist. But the fact that those "options" are pathetic and that they are here to make up for something that shouldn't be an issue in the first place (dealing damage at melee range) is what I pointed out.
There are here to fix a problem created by that new gameplay, not here to optimize your rotation around a specific mechanic during a fight, and the best of them can only make it for 1 GCD. I'm not sure where's the lie.

Concerning the "super hard animation lock", having 2+ short animation locks back to back is no better, and we have yet to see a fight with stricter movements and positioning. Mechanics forcing to play at max melee range have been seen countless times in raids and ultimate before (90% of them being perfectly timed during burst window), the only mechanic remotely close in current EX trials being EX 2's chakrams. Wait until we have another light rampant, shiva/titan junction, Final word, weight of the land, annihilation, and pray the god of ping.
I'll add that having to backtrack 3 yalms + animation lock is crap for disengagement, and only ninja have to deal with that as long as the "options" are terrible damage-wise.

[AlnoAshen]

i just have to say one thing that ive noticed in this thread.Most of the players that are not concerned about changes to ninja,and that are making excuses for raiju havent actually been through the extremes or any previous savage tier(as seen on fflogs).While the players that are concerned actually know the job and have been through few tiers and ultmates and know,how hard raijus,in their current state will make our lifes.