Sage Has No Identity

[Sebazy]

Ah yes, good old Reddit, where you get downvoted off the map for suggesting that maybe Eos and Whispering Dawn is actually better than Selene's haste buffs a year too early

And yes, it's pretty fair to say that Sage is a repeat of what AST did with WHM for HW. It's actually going to be really interesting to see how it's personal potency stacks up vs Chain for progression. Sage brings a ton of potency which has me assuming that SE don't want to see a repeat of what happened with AST in Gordias but you never know.

[Risvertasashi]

Ah yes, good old Reddit, where you get downvoted off the map for suggesting that maybe Eos and Whispering Dawn is actually better than Selene's haste buffs a year too early

And yes, it's pretty fair to say that Sage is a repeat of what AST did with WHM for HW. It's actually going to be really interesting to see how it's personal potency stacks up vs Chain for progression. Sage brings a ton of potency which has me assuming that SE don't want to see a repeat of what happened with AST in Gordias but you never know.

We haven't seen the meta get as bad as HW for a while - closest being the last tier of Stormblood, I think, but even that wasn't as bad as heavensward.

So I'll also be curious to watch. SCH and SGE will undoubtedly leapfrog each other as to which is favored in the meta - but will it generally be viable to play any healer, a la 5.x, or will SE have to go through a learning process to get them to be relatively balanced, like AST & WHM in heavensward? I'll be interested to see how it plays out as well.

[KDSilver]

We haven't seen the meta get as bad as HW for a while - closest being the last tier of Stormblood, I think, but even that wasn't as bad as heavensward.

So I'll also be curious to watch. SCH and SGE will undoubtedly leapfrog each other as to which is favored in the meta - but will it generally be viable to play any healer, a la 5.x, or will SE have to go through a learning process to get them to be relatively balanced, like AST & WHM in heavensward? I'll be interested to see how it plays out as well.

I'd fine it funny if people would make SGE/SCH work properly in the raiding scene (and I think they could, the same way WHM+diuAST was). They both have some versatile toolkit with strong regen, mitigation and direct heal.
Just to proove to devs that this pure healer/shielder never truly existed.

[Deceptus]

Just to proove to devs that this pure healer/shielder never truly existed.

It ceased to exist the second they gave the "Regen" healers Shield abilities and "Barrier" healers multiple regens.

Addersgall/Aetherflow
Both jobs get three stacks every 60 seconds to spend on healing. Only difference is Scholar gains them upfront and Sage has to wait. As for MP recovery, SCH restores more MP from gaining it while SGE restores MP from spending it. Functionally the same.

You'll notice Addersgall doesn't require Combat to be used. So they can technically start with 3 stacks and have 3 ready to add the second the pull happens.

I can't imagine this stays very long as it's a blatant double standard. Oh wait. . .

[Rosa_Frandlia]

It ceased to exist the second they gave the "Regen" healers Shield abilities and "Barrier" healers multiple regens.

Wasn't that ARR? SCH had Whispering Dawn and WHM had stoneskin 1 and 2.

[Risvertasashi]

Wasn't that ARR? SCH had Whispering Dawn and WHM had stoneskin 1 and 2.

Which is why I've taken issue with the community especially calling them regen/shield healers at all.

But you can make the argument if you consider GCD regens and GCD shields. But I still think it's a pretty weak argument, considering the oGCD stuff is very strong.

[KDSilver]

Wasn't that ARR? SCH had Whispering Dawn and WHM had stoneskin 1 and 2.

Absolutely.
And later SCH got Indom which was known to be a really good oGCD healing ability (short recast time, instant, no mp, great potency).
And that's a direct heal.
Alongside Whispering Dawn which is a regen...

Those 2 heals alone did a lot.
(and of course, lustrate, and then excog... fey union)