SE are leaving BLM to rot by giving SMN and RDM even more utility

[SaberMaxwell]

Ironically, you'd see very few complaints from RDM and SMNs for losing their respective Raises, especially SMN as it's new rotation makes it an even bigger DPS loss. Neither wants to raise. They do it for prog sake. It's the Healers who care because they don't want to touch their raise without Swiftcast.

With all that said, OP seems to forget that BLM'S "utility" even right now is its massive damage. Hell, speed meta since Verse has brought Samurai despite Dragoon and Monk offering all kinds of buffs. Why? Their buffs aren't enough to offset Samurai's raw damage. Admittedly, there are other factors at play but sheer damage is still a major contributor. The only thing OP is correct on is statics will typically want you to play RDM/SMN for prog. While that can be understandably frustrating, the change to Embolden now means statics can more freely drop a Melee without punishing their RDM. This restriction is also only really prevalent in the more sHC and HC groups. So if you don't have those aspirations, then it really doesn't even matter. You'll find a static as a BLM.

I'm probably the rdm they're talking about in specific, if not one of them.

If rdm were to lose Raise I wouldn't lose any sleep over it. I am feeling free to disagree with people who find their entire joy of the job of scraping people off of the floor. There is a role for people who like to manage other's health bars in the game, as desperately abandoned as they usually are.

Don't get me wrong, I raise when needed and often get told by my healers to hold off on raising and let them take care of it. I have a tool that if I see a situation that tool addresses, I'll use it. I just don't particularly see the value in constraining two of three casters with that ability and causing weird balance discussions like this.

[SkyCake]

I would be ver-y upset to lose VerRaise on RDM.

Bad puns aside, I would legitimately be against the removal of VerRaise.

[MellowMink]

If Black Mages are upset about not being able to raise, then why not prioritize asking for that over wanting raise abilities to be removed from summoners or red mages?

I've said it before and I'll say it again: I'll be quite upset if I can no longer raise as a summoner.

[Taranok]

If Black Mages are upset about not being able to raise, then why not prioritize asking for that over wanting raise abilities to be removed from summoners or red mages?

I've said it before and I'll say it again: I'll be quite upset if I can no longer raise as a summoner.

I would definitely like BLM to have a raise, but I'd want a very Black Mage style raise. Something like an instant cast oGCD free raise (Not like BLM literally cares about it having a cast time or MP cost anyways, but they stand to lose the most from burning a single GCD ad hoc) but on a minimum of a 2m cooldown. The class does need some love, but it needs it in other areas.

In reality, BLM has a core design flaw that exists at the meta level. I don't mean "BLM vs SMN" meta, but rather "Internal structure of the class." It's a flaw on par or worse than greased lightning and blood of the dragon, but like Monk, the core rotation is so exceptionally adequate that it often goes unnoticed, and the true diehards of the class think it's somehow a benefit to keep this critical flaw in design.

That said, it probably deserves a post unto itself instead of hijacking a thread about the classes critical lack of support utility.

[Gruntler]

Asking for raise to be removed from summoner or red mage so you can eke out extra damage is weird because most of the players who would ask for this aren't at a skill-cap on either job that they can access this hypothetical extra damage so it's a moot point.

Raises steal clears, and removing the ability to steal clears from these jobs just so a small subset of people can feel like they can bring the jobs into a form of content farming that doesn't matter in terms of job balance is a silly thing to ask for.

[ChazNatlo]

I enjoy saving a run with a clutch Resurrect, but if I lost it I'd probably be fine. Of course if it were taken away from me I'd like something in return, so... Maybe not what the OP would want, since we'd lose situational utility for something else that could wind up being more broad reaching utility.

[Alexalibur]

Why are people saying BLM's damage is its utility? Am I missing something?

BlackMage and Summoner do almost the exact same dps, but even by a miniscule amount, SMN actually OUTDAMAGES BLM. Look up the statistics (I'm not sure if I can link anything here).

BLM doesn't nearly do enough damage to justify the lack of resurrection, but perhaps the 3% devotion next expansion is an answer to this concern.

EDIT: Also want to add that dps requirements have been a non-issue for ages now. There's hardly any dps checks mid fight anymore and the enrages continue to be too lenient to warrant the need of a single class to make or break a run. It's always so derailing to see people constantly say "BLM's utility is its damage" when it's outdps'd by a class like NIN merely because of its incredible Trick attack utility.

[MellowMink]

The supposedly intended design of Black Mage is that it provides the most damage but with the least party utility as a tradeoff, so none of its abilities work as buffs or the like toward other party members; it's the casting equivalent to the Samurai job.

So, in that sense, it not having a raise spell technically makes sense, although I also wouldn't be opposed to it receiving one so that it's not the sole outlier among the casters when it comes to resurrection potential.

[Rai_Takara]

Good news for some folks. Yoshi has stated that if SMN rework in 6.x is a success from a balance perspective, raise will be removed in 7.0. It was only included in 6.x as an insurance in case they messed up balance.

Source:

――さきほどの吟遊詩人の問題と同じで、いる派といらない派の両方がいますからね。
So it was similar to the issues with Bard mentioned earlier, and there are players who think it was necessary or otherwise.

吉田「“リザレク”を使うと、MPがなくなるし、火力も下がるから嫌。蘇生を期待されるくらいなら、最初からないほうがいい」という人もいると思いますが、そういう人は固定パーティーなどの人脈に恵まれている人でもあるのかな、と思うのです。逆に、召喚士といえば、「パーティーにいてくれれば“リザレク”の保証がある」と感じている人も多いと思います。つまり召喚士をパーティーに入れるメリットが、意識の中に存在している、ということです。大きくジョブのメカニクスを変えたぶんだけ、保険も必要だと考えました。ただ、この改修が上手く回るようなら、今後なくす可能性は大いにあると思っていてください。

　あと「黒魔道士に蘇生手段を入れては？」という話題も拝見したことがありますが、開発チームに「一応聞きますけど……」と尋ねられた際に、「黒魔道士には、蘇生に使う“迅速魔”はない」と返しました。すみません。「“三連魔”と“迅速魔”で4人起こせますよ！」と冗談も飛んだのですが、「蘇生手段を持っていても、黒魔道士は蘇生しないだろうなあ」と。破壊の力である黒魔法の使い手ですし……（苦笑）。
Yoshida: Of course there are people who think “we’ll be out of MP and our firepower would drop if we use Resurrection. If people expected us to raise them, might as well remove them completely”, but I feel that those who think so are ones who are blessed with connections through static parties. On the other hand, there are people who would think parties with Summoners are definitely guaranteed with Resurrection, and this means players may subconsciously think there are merits of having a Summoner in the party. We thought Summoners should have some form of insurance despite having drastic changes to its job mechanics. However, please take note that the chances of Resurrection getting removed completely in the future will be high if this rework ends up going well.

I also used to see comments about “what about Black Mages, will they gain any methods to resurrect?” and the development team inquired about the possibility, to which I replied “There are no resurrection type spells for Black Mages to use their Swiftcast on”. So yes, I apologize. There were jokes about having to resurrect up to 4 times using Triplecast and Swiftcast but I don’t think Black Mages would be using Resurrection spells even if they have one. I mean, Black Mages are destructive and they are experts in destruction… (laughs bitterly)

Key words: "However, please take note that the chances of Resurrection getting removed completely in the future will be high if this rework ends up going well."

I highly doubt SE will allow RDM raise to exist as freely either if that happens, so it'll either be neutered or removed (in which case they can get some other white mage spell for flavor that's situational like vercure but not a must have like raise) as well. After all, raise tax is stupid and this will finally get to balance SMN and RDM with BLM (who now have ample mobility unlike popular opinion).