Am I supposed to pull wall to wall as a tank on every dungeon?

[Minnel]

I am not complaning and genuinely asking out of curiosity. I just finished Msqs but am lost on what to do on duty roulettes. People were fine with me going 1 mob at a time but I'm guessing thats because it was my first time and I was geared just enough to run the dungeon.

[kaynide]

I am not complaning and genuinely asking out of curiosity. I just finished Msqs but am lost on what to do on duty roulettes. People were fine with me going 1 mob at a time but I'm guessing thats because it was my first time and I was geared just enough to run the dungeon.

Yes and No. You should not feel obligated to pull more than you are comfortable with and/or your healer can comfortably deal with.

You will notice a lot of dungeons have roadblocks set in place to prevent wall to wall pulls (for example, killing the final mob drops a key or door lever or some such), so no- the game is designed to dissuade wall-to-wall pulls, but if you can and are comfortable doing so, by all means.

I tend to grab a single pack, and see how fast the party downs it. Then maybe a bigger pack until I see somebody struggle or my HP dangerous..then I know about how much I can do. No use pulling a big pack if the DPS doesn't dodge AoE, or if the healer is not on the ball. It might be slower, but I'd rather go slower than wipe several times.

[Jijifli]

Yes and No. You should not feel obligated to pull more than you are comfortable with and/or your healer can comfortably deal with.

You will never improve at something without leaving your comfort zone on it. If you do not try, you will not get.

Also, you will never know what people are able to deal with until you try it. I've had so many parties where it's so clear we can handle big pulls, and the tank just refuses, because he's too scared. Some of these runs are still with big pulls, but because the dps or healer pulls the second set of mobs, and then tanks the mobs in front of the tank, who in some cases is throwing a fit so they won't get aggro, yet the dps or healer survives anyways.

I cannot stress this enough, things do not hit hard enough in most dungeons. If a healer can tank 1 pull, you can tank 2.

[kaynide]

You will never improve at something without leaving your comfort zone on it. If you do not try, you will not get.

Also, you will never know what people are able to deal with until you try it. I've had so many parties where it's so clear we can handle big pulls, and the tank just refuses, because he's too scared. Some of these runs are still with big pulls, but because the dps or healer pulls the second set of mobs, and then tanks the mobs in front of the tank, who in some cases is throwing a fit so they won't get aggro, yet the dps or healer survives anyways.

I cannot stress this enough, things do not hit hard enough in most dungeons. If a healer can tank 1 pull, you can tank 2.

I mean, your mileage may vary. Some people genuinely aren’t comfortable with it, and it’s not like it makes that big of a difference in the end. If we were talking 30 min dungeon vs an hour I’d get it, but we’re talking a savings of like, 5 minutes..maybe 10?

If my healer or tank simply isn’t comfortable with big pulls, we’re still going to clear the dungeon, which ultimately is the point.

I’d rather we all have a good time so that said tank/healer can eventually try larger packs than scare off a player or make them feel they can’t tank or heal. Need all the healers and tanks we can get to keep my dps queues down.

I guess ultimately sure, there is a need for a trial by fire to “git gud”, but a random pug dungeon ain’t it.

[Teno]

Pull wall to wall, and if on the rare occasion your healer cannot keep up slow down the pace. That's the routine.

[Ranaku]

Depends on if you have a scholar or a whitemage in your group, never trust that damn living HoT with the stupid AI (called eos) to prefer you over the DD who got hit and has lower health than you!

But yeah, you should pull bigger packs if you can handle it cause otherwise you make jobs which have aoe rotations cry and the healer often too cause you deny them to deal good damage and their mainjob cause with single pulls you can basically heal yourself.

[Rinhi]

Pull wall to wall, and if on the rare occasion your healer cannot keep up slow down the pace. That's the routine.

This, pull big to gauge the parties performance
It doesn't matter if you wipe while doing that, but then you know it's too big and can scale the pulls down
(there's like 5 dungeons in total that get iffy if you pull everything you can and they're pretty obvious when you run them because they're the only ones where the trash mobs hurt)

[Reinha]

it was my first time and I was geared just enough to run the dungeon.

Gear can be a valid reason to pull small. First timers who bought some 510 gear can pull big though. Their HP barely moves with single pulls. Enemies don't do anything most of the time and if they do, the telegraphs are very intuitive.

[Xerkrosis]

Depends on the dungeon. ARR dungeons usually don't have yet these walls, where this rule may be applied. But in general, pull as many as the party can handle. So give it a go in the beginning and pull 3-4 or more packs and see how the party performes.
If you die, you die, and thus can lower the number. As long as you're not dead, everything's fine.

[ryouma17]

Am I supposed to pull wall to wall as a tank on every dungeon?.

if its an endgame dungeon yes, if its a leveling dungeon no